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oops welcome back everybody here we are

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again Katie

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hello here we are I'm doing good how are

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you I'm good this is really strange

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because we recorded an interview with

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Roscoe thought like however not that

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many hours ago and it feels like a bit

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strange to be back all of a sudden but

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I'm really glad that we're here live as

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well

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um got a great guest we have got a great

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guest uh good to see so many people as

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well in the live chat thank you so much

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for being here as always please keep the

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chat cool calm and collected I really

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appreciate that you guys are normally

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very good at that so thank you also if

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you do have any questions throughout the

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interview please pop them in capital

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letters that gives me a better chance of

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seeing them and I will try my best to

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ask them but it depends on the relevancy

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and the way the conversation is flowing

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and all that good stuff so thank you

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guys and let's get to it shall we

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Let's Do It Let's Do It

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um

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yeah please welcome a good friend

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someone that I really look up to and I

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can't wait for this conversation guys

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put your hands together for Sean okay

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Hill Sean how are you I'm doing well

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then how are you doing I'm doing great

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thank you so much for doing this yeah

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happy to be here

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all right

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so Sean yeah you know when I spoke to

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you about uh setting up this interview

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um I wanted to come at it this time from

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a slightly different perspective and

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sort of talk a bit more about the

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Consciousness and the kind of meditation

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aspect and its relationship to the

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phenomena so I guess my first question

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is what does Consciousness mean to you

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and especially when it does relate to

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the phenomena

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I um I'm actually happy to say that I

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take it from a kind of selfish Viewpoint

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because I've lived this whole life as

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Sean I've had very few moments of not

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being Sean

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so for me Consciousness is my shondness

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and so for me when I eventually found

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um you know meditation studies and

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Buddhism and things that that Branch out

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the ancient esoteric practices

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the self was something I was familiar

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with because my shawnness was was

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something that I had been I felt like

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that I had been working with and

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fighting my whole life

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if that makes sense

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um so I think that that's the simplest

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way that I can sum up Consciousness

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um without going right to you know the

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like Buddhist teachings and things like

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yeah no I it makes sense and I think

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that a lot of people have that

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experience especially when they're

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um beginning this journey right they're

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looking into meditation for the first

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time self-consciousness for the first

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time and I'm really curious to hear how

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that started for you right everyone kind

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of has a different entry point so what

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was yours

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you know I was interested in um

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to be honest again this is it's not

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really flattering um I was interested in

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super powers when I was young I wanted

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all the superpowers

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um I liked the idea that we were we were

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more than this and I wanted to to be

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but it really wasn't until I had a heart

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attack back in 2012 and when they were

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placing the stent in my heart I had an

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um right and that really changed my

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perspective on things I had gone up to

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the ceiling of this two-story room where

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they did this the stent procedure and I

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had watched the medical team Place their

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feet on the on the armrest and uh when

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my vein collapsed and removed the

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catheter and then go to reinsert in the

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femoral artery and they'd put their foot

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up on the armrest because they needed to

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brace themselves for steady pressures

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um yeah it gives me the heebie-jeebies

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oh was that obvious

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I watched all that from the from the

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ceiling looking down and um I wasn't

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freaking out I wasn't thinking oh wow

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there I am or I'm out of my body it was

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but then when the procedure was over and

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um I mentioned to them that I had gone

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up there and watched them extract the

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catheter and they were quite surprised

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that I was able to describe it with such

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accuracy because I had been on

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definitely unconscious

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um and so that took a while

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to really sink in I would think about it

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now and again think about it and I

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didn't know what to do with the info

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this recurring lucid dream

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um of my family and I on the highway

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uh and deciding to to go across the

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Coronado Bridge and as we got on the

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there was a problem with the truck in

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front of us we ended up in a car

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accident and ended up going over the

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side of the bridge

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and each time it felt it was this is

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where the dream was always the same and

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where I woke up the cars going over the

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bridge it's terrifying

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but then suddenly I'm in like a yellow

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um like a cherry picker like the guys

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work on the top of trees and power lines

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with and it just tipped forward and I

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was the only one there the family wasn't

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there it tipped forward and I was

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falling down towards what I assumed was

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the Bay but it was like a water tornado

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or a water spout

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and I fell in the top of it and I fell

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and I kept falling and in this dream I

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finally real you know I'm lucid and I'm

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terrified right

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but I finally realized okay hold on I

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should have hit the Water by now

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what's going on and that and that's

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where something else happens and so that

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I never quite remembered so these things

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these things were pretty powerful the

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um because I was quite Lucid I mean it

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got to the point where I was

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just kind of falling down the

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thing you know bored wondering if it

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will be different this time

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um and I couldn't figure out how to

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break out or anything like that back

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just put up might have just put up with

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the weirdness

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but the tinnitus was making me a jerk

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even more of a natural jerk than I

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already was back then

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um and I was a pretty organic jerk

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um I I had really hair triggers

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but the to remedy the

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the tinnitus I started using binaural

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beats and I didn't really know what they

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were for I didn't know anything about

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Monroe or anything like that

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and I remember that the first night that

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that I felt what I would later

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understand is I guess what people refer

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to as Hemi sink or other things like

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I had decided to put some brown no I use

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a an app that does not pay me to endorse

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them called White Noise

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um and I I put a uh some pink noise in

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the background this time specifically

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and actually and a gamma

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um frequency and I didn't know anything

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about frequencies either so that's

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actually a pretty high one and a good

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one to start with but

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I started humming with it

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it was strange the only way to describe

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it's kind of non-visual non-verbal but I

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but I felt like a bell went off in one

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ear one went on off up here and one went

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off here and you could just feel them

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and when that resonance first happens

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it's pretty profound

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and at that exact same moment like half

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a tree across from us we were at Balboa

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Park at a corgi Meetup we had brought

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our dog to Balboa Park and

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um like this giant tree excuse me just

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like cracked in half and fell onto the

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street didn't injure anyone like missed

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a jogger missed a car that had just gone

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by but at that moment that I felt all of

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and so those are those were big

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benchmarks for me to finally go okay

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what what is this what is all this and

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how do you get there

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and I wasn't in a position to do a lot

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um so so I had to meditate

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I mean that it it sounds a lot like my

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experience to be honest I I had an

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accidental accidental Obe while using

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binaural beats as well

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um was not an experienced meditator and

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it scared the hell out of me

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um and you know I think you've touched

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on this before that at some point it

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becomes a bit of a what do I do with

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this you know and uh where do I go

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especially if you're not I wasn't a

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particularly religious person before you

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know so trying to figure out the the

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path forward with that can be can be

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challenging

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you mentioned though in a previous

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interview that you eventually found ways

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to kind of cope with that over almost

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over stimulation and then kind of use it

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could you speak a little bit about that

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and maybe for folks in the audience who

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are dealing with that right now

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it it wasn't easy at first

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um it was really really hard and I

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thought I was losing my marbles

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um I got a therapist and I walked right

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in and told her everything and

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and that helped but it didn't help in

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the ways that I needed I needed to find

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some way to I needed a volume dial or a

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tuning dial of some kind

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and for me I think it it became

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finding out

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what was the difference between my fear

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and my intuition

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and that took a long time it took a long

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time and and that I think for each of us

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involves our own just personal

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psychology just regular old

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run-of-the-mill life that we've LED

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you know and whatever makes our inherent

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fears you know we can talk about

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um genetic you know markers for or

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excuse me fear how it's passed down

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through generate generational fear right

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it's you I had to get out of my own way

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I had to really look at my own nonsense

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my own BS where am where am I the

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trigger for other people where am I the

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toxic person how am I the rainy day and

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I'm not perfect my wife will be the

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first person to tell you but

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um I'm not quite the same guy that I was

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10 or 15 or 20 years ago

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um for me it's been very cognitive

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nobody else did anything that made it

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better

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um nobody told me anything that suddenly

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opened my eyes I mean a lot of the

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interactions I've had in the last few

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years have have opened my eyes but if

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nothing if anything the last five years

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have given me too much information to

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the point where I have no idea what the

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hell's really going on at the end of the

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day right um

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but

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I know this is crazy for people who have

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anxiety and I've had anxiety my whole

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life death yeah harsh anxiety panic

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attacks emergency room visits

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um losing my business at work on other

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people

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two things happen I just decided I don't

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care what happens and I'm not in charge

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of you anymore and I'm not in charge of

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what happens to you

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um I'm only in charge of me and I

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started Living in that space where it

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was like I'm gonna tick a lot of people

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off

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while I set these boundaries and while I

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figure out who I am right and that's

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another one because boundaries down a

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lot of people build their boundaries

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with one hand and hold a fist up with

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the other you know they're just putting

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bricks down saying don't you come near

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here and it's like no the boundaries are

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so people can come come right up to them

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they can they can punch on them beat on

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them and scream at them and you get to

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sit over here calmly and say no thank

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you instead of Kicking and Screaming

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back

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um

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that was a huge help but the

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I hate to say that the I had to put

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Faith in my own intuition

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um that that was the thing that really

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took me over the edge past the fear

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was trusting myself and saying that

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these these little physical triggers or

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little physical markers that I have are

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my body talking to me about something

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that I can't put into words and I'm the

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one that has to put it in the words for

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my body and

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that kind of brings us to another point

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is I don't like this isn't me I do feel

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like I reside

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not quite in this body but I reside here

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with this body we have a I feel like the

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body and I have a have a union

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I can take really good care of it and

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it'll last for a really long time

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I can take really bad care of it and

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it'll still really last for a really

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long time

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but it's going to let me know the whole

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time that it doesn't want to do it that

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that's a good way to put it

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and it recently told me I've had enough

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and I thought we already had this

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I think it comes down to are you is

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where do you fall are you a materialist

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or do you fall more into onto the spirit

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side like the I hate to say the polarity

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gets more narrow

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as time goes by in my life and I'm able

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just to see the choices folks have made

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I'm trying not to judge them for him

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anymore

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um

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because I I really in the last few years

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have really felt like the universe has

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just taken me back to school

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and I've been humbled

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um

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but

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what do you do when you feel that way

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you know I mean where do you where do

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so right now I'm just keeping the house

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clean looking for a job you know doing

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my thing being good to my wife and kids

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but there's nothing spectacular going on

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that's that's the I have to say that

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balance has taken a little bit of the

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adventure out of life because I'm like

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okay now I'm here for the ride

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yeah yeah yeah

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so many of those points resonated with

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me about how different I was 10 years

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ago and how much I'm still learning and

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working on building myself as a person

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and like you said then taking it back to

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basics in a way family the things that

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really matter and yeah it's amazing how

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many things that really hit home then so

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I appreciate that

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um so my next question as this

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meditation Journey has developed and

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you've probably gone deeper and done

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different types of meditation maybe have

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you ever felt like you've had an

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experience where there was some

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alternative intelligence involved with

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yes

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um and it's

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still happens on occasion in the same

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way and I always find it fascinating

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that um I think a lot of people that

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meditate understand a place that we

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might call the void

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um a a dark warm safe place where your

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whole

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um memory kind of comes and goes there

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there you can spend time very lucid very

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conscious there but as as you're

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meditating sometimes that that drifts

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but in the early times that I would find

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myself there

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I would get this sense of faces very

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large faces kind of swooping into that

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place and going what is this

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just kind of you know wrinkle the idea

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that they were furrowing their brow just

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getting a good look and then kind of

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going oh okay and then and then going

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back out and it was the strangest thing

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that it was right after hypnagogia would

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um if if you've if you've learned to

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remember

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body asleep mind awake if you've learned

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how to to do that Yoga Nidra or the

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Monroe technique or other techniques

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hypnagogia is a stage of during falling

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asleep where there's a lot of

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um apparently it looks like fog is

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setting in a gray fog is drifting

434
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through a Blackness and sometimes it

435
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forms into shapes and other things for

436
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me it's mostly just a fog and it either

437
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resolves in unconsciousness or Lucid

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Lucidity afterward and there's there's

439
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other things there's a vibrational

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sensation and some some other

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movement that you might sense but um

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right after that hypnagogia

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for a long time I would be back in

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what's felt like I moved from that void

445
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place over to a side instance just like

446
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I had been channeled over into a little

447
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waiting room of some point or of some

448
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kind

449
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and that something would come and

450
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um and regard me there and look at me

451
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and kind of not handle me but just check

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me out

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and

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as time went by I

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that changed the experience changed and

456
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that stopped every once in a while that

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still happens usually just when I'm

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daydreaming

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um when I was in the hospital recently

460
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from my heart um I think I just said

461
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that on air okay I was in the hospital

462
00:18:10,789 --> 00:18:09,179
recently I had a second heart attack I

463
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wasn't gonna um I wasn't gonna talk

464
00:18:15,049 --> 00:18:12,960
about that today but I'm not gonna act

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all weird about it

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um but I had

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for about a week that I was there

468
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because I picked up a staph infection

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when I was in the hospital as well

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every time I closed my eyes it was just

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constant visuals of of that of of of

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people it seemed to people stopping and

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being like why are you looking at like

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stopping as if I were like

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a a strange person sitting on the ground

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on the street and you walked by and

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you're like reading my sign or something

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that's what it seemed like like they

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were I was

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interrupting them for the life of me I

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don't know what it was but it it stopped

482
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when I left the hospital

483
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um yeah yeah really

484
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well and we're so happy that you're

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doing well now and everything's all

486
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right everything's great

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um yeah it was a it was a it was a blip

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basically I had a stent that failed they

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replaced the stent but I was in for a

490
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longer period of time because of the

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staph infection but everything worked

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out gotcha good well we're so glad to

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hear that and and something you said

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actually triggered a memory in me and uh

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you know a friend of mine had kind of

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challenged me to try the the Hemi sink

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tapes and one of the things I

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experienced I only did them a few times

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because frankly it was too intense for

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me

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um and one of the things I experienced

502
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that you kind of touched on was that

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feeling of being kind of channeled to

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another place at one point and for me at

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one point it was I heard a tone and I

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don't even know if the tone was in the

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in the tape or if it was something you

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know separate and it kind of I felt like

509
00:19:48,470 --> 00:19:46,020
pulled to another location and once I

510
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got there the um the experience was

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different time wasn't linear it was

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choppy it was

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um and like you said someone came to

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regard you similar thing and I had never

515
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had an experience like that and it

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completely shifted my view of

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non-human intelligence of what's

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possible

519
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um when it comes to meditation and

520
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something that we know now when when

521
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you're speaking about kind of the

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materialist versus uh other paradigms is

523
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that meditation can literally rewire

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your brain right you know nothing but

525
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our our intentional thought can

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influence matter so you would think that

527
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the materialist Paradigm there would

528
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already evaporate

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um but I'm really interested given sort

530
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of the anecdotal

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evidence we have that the phenomenon can

532
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either manipulate matter or our

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perception of matter if you believe that

534
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you know in order to move the UAP

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00:20:46,070 --> 00:20:44,340
conversation forward we really need to

536
00:20:47,750 --> 00:20:46,080
dive deeper into some of this meditation

537
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research

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I would completely agree with that

539
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um I think there are two sides to the

540
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UAP coin that we have to

541
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that we all have to kind of acknowledge

542
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and that is there is there is what we

543
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call a nuts and bolts sign there there

544
00:21:07,130 --> 00:21:04,440
is a technological expression of aspects

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of these things we're talking about

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um

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but one is not always the other

548
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you know and

549
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I think what where we need to get to is

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that

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experience in their life a personal

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actual experience not just taking

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something on faith because of a book or

554
00:21:32,270 --> 00:21:30,299
or another person's anecdote but once

555
00:21:37,610 --> 00:21:32,280
you've had that taste

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I reside somewhere else

557
00:21:46,970 --> 00:21:43,500
excuse me and I'm having this experience

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here now as me

559
00:21:50,270 --> 00:21:48,900
it and then you start thinking about

560
00:21:53,270 --> 00:21:50,280
okay what happens when I go to sleep at

561
00:21:56,270 --> 00:21:53,280
night where am I am I still me when I'm

562
00:21:57,830 --> 00:21:56,280
asleep is there a relevancy to that me

563
00:21:59,870 --> 00:21:57,840
and how come the weird stuff really

564
00:22:01,430 --> 00:21:59,880
happens when I'm mostly happens when I'm

565
00:22:04,789 --> 00:22:01,440
asleep

566
00:22:06,529 --> 00:22:04,799
um and so that alone is just it it's not

567
00:22:08,510 --> 00:22:06,539
conclusive it doesn't say where we are

568
00:22:10,730 --> 00:22:08,520
what's going on it just says that

569
00:22:11,810 --> 00:22:10,740
something's happening once we accept

570
00:22:13,789 --> 00:22:11,820
that

571
00:22:15,409 --> 00:22:13,799
then I think it's pretty simple to say

572
00:22:17,149 --> 00:22:15,419
well okay well if I'm here and I'm

573
00:22:19,310 --> 00:22:17,159
physical and I'm natural and I made a

574
00:22:20,270 --> 00:22:19,320
matter in elements and fall under these

575
00:22:22,310 --> 00:22:20,280
laws

576
00:22:23,330 --> 00:22:22,320
well then so does everything else that's

577
00:22:31,730 --> 00:22:23,340
here

578
00:22:32,690 --> 00:22:31,740
I feel like we're getting so simple it

579
00:22:35,870 --> 00:22:32,700
sounds

580
00:22:37,430 --> 00:22:35,880
it starts sounding complicated but

581
00:22:41,690 --> 00:22:37,440
um

582
00:22:43,370 --> 00:22:41,700
but I like there is another place

583
00:22:47,330 --> 00:22:43,380
so

584
00:22:48,590 --> 00:22:47,340
it I the place I am has technology and

585
00:22:50,630 --> 00:22:48,600
matter

586
00:22:52,549 --> 00:22:50,640
so I assume there's some kind of analog

587
00:22:56,210 --> 00:22:52,559
for that in the other in another place

588
00:22:59,830 --> 00:22:56,220
right so once once you marry those two

589
00:23:02,930 --> 00:22:59,840
concepts I don't think it's it's that

590
00:23:04,789 --> 00:23:02,940
mind-boggling that there is something

591
00:23:07,669 --> 00:23:04,799
here that might not be exactly what it

592
00:23:10,310 --> 00:23:07,679
presents as right um

593
00:23:12,710 --> 00:23:10,320
I'm I'm personally ready to find out we

594
00:23:14,750 --> 00:23:12,720
are the only indigenous life in this

595
00:23:17,870 --> 00:23:14,760
universe

596
00:23:20,270 --> 00:23:17,880
um because I can't see any anywhere and

597
00:23:24,649 --> 00:23:20,280
the the mental gymnastics for the

598
00:23:26,149 --> 00:23:24,659
galactic War that's going on and the

599
00:23:27,890 --> 00:23:26,159
I don't know you know all the things

600
00:23:29,510 --> 00:23:27,900
that people bring up of why you know

601
00:23:30,830 --> 00:23:29,520
everybody's hiding and I'm like well

602
00:23:35,330 --> 00:23:30,840
we're not

603
00:23:37,909 --> 00:23:35,340
like crazy

604
00:23:38,990 --> 00:23:37,919
and everybody says well if you do if we

605
00:23:40,310 --> 00:23:39,000
keep doing that they're going to come

606
00:23:43,010 --> 00:23:40,320
get us

607
00:23:43,970 --> 00:23:43,020
and I don't see them but if you talk to

608
00:23:45,409 --> 00:23:43,980
somebody else they're like oh they're

609
00:23:46,850 --> 00:23:45,419
here they already got us

610
00:23:49,430 --> 00:23:46,860
you know and

611
00:23:52,669 --> 00:23:49,440
I don't mean to be facetious but as as a

612
00:23:54,110 --> 00:23:52,679
like I was a trained professional crime

613
00:23:56,390 --> 00:23:54,120
scene investigator and forensic

614
00:23:59,590 --> 00:23:56,400
investigator and I was a problem solver

615
00:24:02,450 --> 00:23:59,600
and so coming to this coming to ufology

616
00:24:03,830 --> 00:24:02,460
with that Acumen not as a believer I'm

617
00:24:05,630 --> 00:24:03,840
also a Believer because I'm going

618
00:24:08,090 --> 00:24:05,640
through it but I don't believe what I'm

619
00:24:10,730 --> 00:24:08,100
going through right and I don't take it

620
00:24:13,010 --> 00:24:10,740
at face value for what I'm seeing and

621
00:24:15,110 --> 00:24:13,020
experiencing

622
00:24:17,029 --> 00:24:15,120
and I'm not to the bottom of the story

623
00:24:19,610 --> 00:24:17,039
yet

624
00:24:21,169 --> 00:24:19,620
um so once we marry those two things I

625
00:24:22,909 --> 00:24:21,179
don't think any of it I think all of it

626
00:24:24,409 --> 00:24:22,919
makes sense of course the government's

627
00:24:26,450 --> 00:24:24,419
been studying it of course they're

628
00:24:29,330 --> 00:24:26,460
reticent to talk about it it's really

629
00:24:31,789 --> 00:24:29,340
weird you know and when you get down to

630
00:24:34,850 --> 00:24:31,799
like if one person can bend a spoon what

631
00:24:38,510 --> 00:24:34,860
can 50 do what can a hundred do what can

632
00:24:40,490 --> 00:24:38,520
a country a planet do and that weirds a

633
00:24:43,190 --> 00:24:40,500
lot of people out that

634
00:24:45,049 --> 00:24:43,200
that's it for them the I have the the

635
00:24:46,970 --> 00:24:45,059
spoon thing has been one way to find out

636
00:24:49,310 --> 00:24:46,980
whether you're still my friend or not

637
00:24:51,289 --> 00:24:49,320
is is to bring the spoon out and talk

638
00:24:55,549 --> 00:24:51,299
about it because some people just

639
00:24:57,350 --> 00:24:55,559
nope nope all done you know

640
00:24:59,570 --> 00:24:57,360
so I don't like to talk about it but

641
00:25:01,730 --> 00:24:59,580
about 10 years ago I got bored one night

642
00:25:04,310 --> 00:25:01,740
and I watched a YouTube video and I

643
00:25:06,890 --> 00:25:04,320
snapped a spoon in half and I kept it

644
00:25:08,750 --> 00:25:06,900
for about 10 years and I mean it was

645
00:25:11,230 --> 00:25:08,760
just no effort it was just like it was

646
00:25:13,789 --> 00:25:11,240
butter you know and

647
00:25:16,250 --> 00:25:13,799
I've never told anyone because you're

648
00:25:18,890 --> 00:25:16,260
right it's like that litmus test of are

649
00:25:22,190 --> 00:25:18,900
you able to believe that things are

650
00:25:23,330 --> 00:25:22,200
weirder than we give them credit for

651
00:25:25,310 --> 00:25:23,340
you know

652
00:25:27,110 --> 00:25:25,320
yeah right and what are you going to do

653
00:25:29,510 --> 00:25:27,120
once you believe it

654
00:25:32,690 --> 00:25:29,520
that's the thing for me it was bury it

655
00:25:34,250 --> 00:25:32,700
for a long time yeah

656
00:25:35,510 --> 00:25:34,260
see now I'm gonna go and every time I'm

657
00:25:36,950 --> 00:25:35,520
holding a spoon now I'm just going to

658
00:25:39,769 --> 00:25:36,960
look around be like

659
00:25:42,049 --> 00:25:39,779
let's have a little go for the record I

660
00:25:44,990 --> 00:25:42,059
haven't been able to do it since

661
00:25:46,789 --> 00:25:45,000
until I went to the Monroe Institute I

662
00:25:49,070 --> 00:25:46,799
used to carry a very heavy gauge spoon

663
00:25:51,649 --> 00:25:49,080
around in my shaving kit

664
00:25:53,750 --> 00:25:51,659
and I just every once in a while I just

665
00:25:55,970 --> 00:25:53,760
be somewhere and I'd grab it and I just

666
00:25:57,710 --> 00:25:55,980
unconsciously walk around with it and

667
00:26:00,890 --> 00:25:57,720
look at it and be like oh that's still a

668
00:26:05,029 --> 00:26:03,529
oh were you ever able to bend it have

669
00:26:07,789 --> 00:26:05,039
you gotten there yet

670
00:26:08,570 --> 00:26:07,799
so not until I I so at

671
00:26:11,210 --> 00:26:08,580
um

672
00:26:14,510 --> 00:26:11,220
I guess uh we'll talk about Monroe the

673
00:26:19,789 --> 00:26:17,930
last year in May I got invited um via

674
00:26:21,049 --> 00:26:19,799
Lou gave me a call hooked me up with a

675
00:26:24,049 --> 00:26:21,059
couple of folks

676
00:26:25,909 --> 00:26:24,059
um he got invited to go couldn't go

677
00:26:28,730 --> 00:26:25,919
I don't think the person that organized

678
00:26:30,649 --> 00:26:28,740
it is um advertising himself at the

679
00:26:32,870 --> 00:26:30,659
moment but a doctor

680
00:26:34,669 --> 00:26:32,880
from um

681
00:26:36,289 --> 00:26:34,679
oh geez Purdue

682
00:26:37,610 --> 00:26:36,299
Shucks I can't remember his college now

683
00:26:38,810 --> 00:26:37,620
but I guess that's fine if I'm not going

684
00:26:41,330 --> 00:26:38,820
to say who he was

685
00:26:42,710 --> 00:26:41,340
but he put it together he he got a bunch

686
00:26:45,350 --> 00:26:42,720
of us

687
00:26:49,190 --> 00:26:45,360
um on the phone and zooming and stuff

688
00:26:50,690 --> 00:26:49,200
um Colonel John Alexander Chris Bledsoe

689
00:26:52,130 --> 00:26:50,700
um geez I should have pulled the list

690
00:26:54,769 --> 00:26:52,140
out

691
00:26:55,730 --> 00:26:54,779
um Randall Nickerson

692
00:27:01,250 --> 00:26:55,740
um

693
00:27:03,470 --> 00:27:01,260
Sean Osborne hargan

694
00:27:06,710 --> 00:27:03,480
um exo-academian

695
00:27:09,529 --> 00:27:06,720
uh uh Joe mcmonagle came down made an

696
00:27:10,549 --> 00:27:09,539
appearance and talked to us

697
00:27:12,169 --> 00:27:10,559
um

698
00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:12,179
why somebody's gonna kill me for not

699
00:27:15,950 --> 00:27:13,450
mentioning them for sure

700
00:27:19,210 --> 00:27:15,960
[Laughter]

701
00:27:21,890 --> 00:27:19,220
um but we had a lot of folks there and

702
00:27:23,930 --> 00:27:21,900
almost across the board we were

703
00:27:25,310 --> 00:27:23,940
experiencers there were a few people who

704
00:27:27,769 --> 00:27:25,320
had never seen it never seen anything

705
00:27:29,930 --> 00:27:27,779
had anything weird anything like that

706
00:27:31,250 --> 00:27:29,940
but they were people that were

707
00:27:34,130 --> 00:27:31,260
um some people that replaced high in

708
00:27:36,769 --> 00:27:34,140
government in um some countries were

709
00:27:39,230 --> 00:27:36,779
friendly with uh that wanted to get a

710
00:27:41,269 --> 00:27:39,240
good look at at what this was all about

711
00:27:44,769 --> 00:27:41,279
and what what these what folks like us

712
00:27:48,590 --> 00:27:44,779
were going through and we were a very

713
00:27:53,149 --> 00:27:48,600
wide-ranging group of of experiencers we

714
00:27:56,090 --> 00:27:53,159
had um a famous television medium a few

715
00:27:58,190 --> 00:27:56,100
other people we had some um

716
00:28:01,190 --> 00:27:58,200
some folks that are expert at collecting

717
00:28:04,730 --> 00:28:01,200
technical data with cameras and radar

718
00:28:05,990 --> 00:28:04,740
you know science related folks

719
00:28:07,850 --> 00:28:06,000
um

720
00:28:08,870 --> 00:28:07,860
sorry we started out talking about this

721
00:28:11,750 --> 00:28:08,880
because we're talking about bending the

722
00:28:13,970 --> 00:28:11,760
spoon so another person that was there

723
00:28:16,070 --> 00:28:13,980
um oh God I'm horrible with names what's

724
00:28:20,169 --> 00:28:16,080
Sean said

725
00:28:22,850 --> 00:28:20,179
oh Sean what's your last name

726
00:28:25,070 --> 00:28:22,860
he's a telekinesis he did telekinesis

727
00:28:28,010 --> 00:28:25,080
for a long time on the uh he was well

728
00:28:30,169 --> 00:28:28,020
known for that on on YouTube he does so

729
00:28:31,850 --> 00:28:30,179
much more his uh his website is mind

730
00:28:32,930 --> 00:28:31,860
possible and I'll remember his last name

731
00:28:35,450 --> 00:28:32,940
in a minute

732
00:28:37,789 --> 00:28:35,460
but um

733
00:28:40,149 --> 00:28:37,799
but Sean and a couple of other folks

734
00:28:42,950 --> 00:28:40,159
were there held a class on telekinesis

735
00:28:45,470 --> 00:28:42,960
uh spoon bending

736
00:28:48,049 --> 00:28:45,480
um we intentionally the the 20 or so of

737
00:28:51,049 --> 00:28:48,059
us tried to move you know a soccer ball

738
00:28:54,110 --> 00:28:51,059
together no results

739
00:28:57,350 --> 00:28:54,120
um Sean McNamara Sean McNamara yeah Sean

740
00:28:58,789 --> 00:28:57,360
McNamara is a fantastic uh guy he just

741
00:29:00,169 --> 00:28:58,799
recently wrote a really good book on

742
00:29:03,049 --> 00:29:00,179
cultivating

743
00:29:05,510 --> 00:29:03,059
um uh psilocybin he lives in Colorado

744
00:29:06,890 --> 00:29:05,520
where it's legal right so it's a

745
00:29:07,850 --> 00:29:06,900
fantastic book

746
00:29:10,010 --> 00:29:07,860
um

747
00:29:11,630 --> 00:29:10,020
but that's a whole nother show and a

748
00:29:13,610 --> 00:29:11,640
whole nother topic

749
00:29:15,590 --> 00:29:13,620
um so we had they taught us two

750
00:29:17,630 --> 00:29:15,600
techniques for spoon money in general

751
00:29:18,889 --> 00:29:17,640
for one was subtle and one was more

752
00:29:21,649 --> 00:29:18,899
energetic

753
00:29:24,230 --> 00:29:21,659
and in between the two

754
00:29:26,870 --> 00:29:24,240
the first technique that we did I had

755
00:29:29,330 --> 00:29:26,880
zero results and I could already tell um

756
00:29:31,610 --> 00:29:29,340
I was getting frustrated I was feeling I

757
00:29:32,930 --> 00:29:31,620
was feeling feelings of Envy

758
00:29:35,090 --> 00:29:32,940
um I could tell that I wanted to feel

759
00:29:36,649 --> 00:29:35,100
special those are things I look out for

760
00:29:37,909 --> 00:29:36,659
those things and I'm like okay well you

761
00:29:42,610 --> 00:29:37,919
can't play if you're gonna be that way

762
00:29:45,110 --> 00:29:42,620
and um so I was I was disenchanted

763
00:29:47,450 --> 00:29:45,120
when but then she brought out some

764
00:29:49,070 --> 00:29:47,460
pendulums and I pendulums were something

765
00:29:51,529 --> 00:29:49,080
that I had studied along with tarot and

766
00:29:53,830 --> 00:29:51,539
other things early on as as

767
00:29:56,389 --> 00:29:53,840
um subconscious access modalities

768
00:29:58,549 --> 00:29:56,399
wanting to understand them and I'd had

769
00:30:00,409 --> 00:29:58,559
success and understood how a pendulum

770
00:30:04,010 --> 00:30:00,419
worked and was able to tell my nonsense

771
00:30:06,889 --> 00:30:04,020
from the intuitive right side of it

772
00:30:08,389 --> 00:30:06,899
so she said um ask we had we all had a

773
00:30:09,769 --> 00:30:08,399
fork and a spoon she said ask the fork

774
00:30:10,730 --> 00:30:09,779
if it'll Bend for you maybe just this

775
00:30:13,850 --> 00:30:10,740
once

776
00:30:17,450 --> 00:30:13,860
and um the fork said nope

777
00:30:19,370 --> 00:30:17,460
and uh with the pendulum and so I again

778
00:30:20,930 --> 00:30:19,380
downtrodden and knowing the worst part

779
00:30:23,029 --> 00:30:20,940
is sitting there knowing I'm doing it

780
00:30:25,370 --> 00:30:23,039
wrong because I'm letting my emotions in

781
00:30:27,590 --> 00:30:25,380
and I know I know I'm gonna fail because

782
00:30:29,389 --> 00:30:27,600
I'm disappointed you know that kind of

783
00:30:31,430 --> 00:30:29,399
thing I'm letting it get to me and I I

784
00:30:33,769 --> 00:30:31,440
asked the spoon will you just this once

785
00:30:36,529 --> 00:30:33,779
you know and I literally like my

786
00:30:38,490 --> 00:30:36,539
anterior attitude was literally like

787
00:30:41,810 --> 00:30:38,500
really like those Maybe

788
00:30:44,990 --> 00:30:41,820
[Laughter]

789
00:30:46,669 --> 00:30:45,000
spoon said sure just this once I mean

790
00:30:49,909 --> 00:30:46,679
that was the message I got back and I

791
00:30:51,230 --> 00:30:49,919
was like okay oh okay all right so we

792
00:30:53,450 --> 00:30:51,240
got it we went about it and she was

793
00:30:54,769 --> 00:30:53,460
saying you know build up your intent and

794
00:30:57,289 --> 00:30:54,779
I decided

795
00:31:01,090 --> 00:30:57,299
um in fact I should grab the spoon is

796
00:31:03,649 --> 00:31:01,100
that okay yeah yeah please all right

797
00:31:07,070 --> 00:31:03,659
special guest appearance from the spoon

798
00:31:08,990 --> 00:31:07,080
man I'm kicking myself that I did mine I

799
00:31:10,730 --> 00:31:09,000
threw it away like a year ago I was like

800
00:31:12,289 --> 00:31:10,740
this is stupid why am I holding on to

801
00:31:15,769 --> 00:31:12,299
this I'm gonna go and get one tonight

802
00:31:17,630 --> 00:31:15,779
and just be like I guess oh wow so I

803
00:31:19,130 --> 00:31:17,640
wasn't happy just bending it in half

804
00:31:21,470 --> 00:31:19,140
because I knew I could I knew I was

805
00:31:23,750 --> 00:31:21,480
strong enough to do it and I had already

806
00:31:26,450 --> 00:31:23,760
I had snapped off the tine of one of the

807
00:31:27,830 --> 00:31:26,460
on the fork and I didn't believe that

808
00:31:29,810 --> 00:31:27,840
like you said you snapped yours I was

809
00:31:31,510 --> 00:31:29,820
like I just broke it I'm just way

810
00:31:34,310 --> 00:31:31,520
stronger than I think

811
00:31:38,269 --> 00:31:34,320
see I'm weak so that wasn't a problem

812
00:31:41,930 --> 00:31:38,279
laughs so I I pinched the bowl

813
00:31:44,510 --> 00:31:41,940
of the spoon and I pinched the end and I

814
00:31:46,549 --> 00:31:44,520
was like I'm gonna I want to twist it

815
00:31:49,310 --> 00:31:46,559
and if it really does and we we had just

816
00:31:51,289 --> 00:31:49,320
watched a a video that Yuri Geller had

817
00:31:53,810 --> 00:31:51,299
sent specifically to us he was he was

818
00:31:55,850 --> 00:31:53,820
gonna Zoom with us

819
00:31:57,830 --> 00:31:55,860
um but he something happened where he

820
00:31:59,450 --> 00:31:57,840
had a scheduling difficulty so he just

821
00:32:02,630 --> 00:31:59,460
had somebody turn his camera around and

822
00:32:05,450 --> 00:32:02,640
filmed a video but he's just I mean he's

823
00:32:07,549 --> 00:32:05,460
in a shop with thousands and thousands

824
00:32:09,110 --> 00:32:07,559
of Ben spoons and I mean unless unless

825
00:32:10,789 --> 00:32:09,120
you really think he's surrounded by

826
00:32:11,630 --> 00:32:10,799
hundreds of pounds of gallium or

827
00:32:13,430 --> 00:32:11,640
whatever

828
00:32:16,250 --> 00:32:13,440
you know he's he's got something going

829
00:32:18,230 --> 00:32:16,260
on so yeah I I was like I have to do

830
00:32:19,909 --> 00:32:18,240
this in a subtle way it has to go molten

831
00:32:22,610 --> 00:32:19,919
like it looks like it goes for him and

832
00:32:24,470 --> 00:32:22,620
or I'm never gonna believe it so sum it

833
00:32:26,510 --> 00:32:24,480
up get all the intent

834
00:32:28,549 --> 00:32:26,520
and we called it a gorilla technique

835
00:32:30,950 --> 00:32:28,559
you're gonna jump up in the air and when

836
00:32:32,990 --> 00:32:30,960
you're in the air you're gonna shout

837
00:32:34,789 --> 00:32:33,000
you're gonna you're gonna tell it you're

838
00:32:36,590 --> 00:32:34,799
gonna Bend you're gonna you know you are

839
00:32:38,510 --> 00:32:36,600
telling it you are a gorilla and you are

840
00:32:41,389 --> 00:32:38,520
powerful and you are going to use all of

841
00:32:44,810 --> 00:32:41,399
your monkey mind to do it

842
00:32:47,149 --> 00:32:44,820
and I landed in this

843
00:32:50,810 --> 00:32:47,159
I don't know what to say about that it's

844
00:32:52,370 --> 00:32:50,820
this is not a this is a high quality

845
00:32:55,370 --> 00:32:52,380
piece of Cutlery

846
00:32:56,750 --> 00:32:55,380
and it did it bent it it it did

847
00:33:01,070 --> 00:32:56,760
something I haven't been able to do

848
00:33:03,730 --> 00:33:01,080
again no matter how hard I try yeah it

849
00:33:06,230 --> 00:33:03,740
doesn't tell me that I'm psychic or have

850
00:33:08,510 --> 00:33:06,240
telekinesis or any of that it tells me

851
00:33:11,630 --> 00:33:08,520
that human intent has influence Over

852
00:33:13,430 --> 00:33:11,640
Matter that's all it tells me and I can

853
00:33:16,070 --> 00:33:13,440
accept that

854
00:33:17,690 --> 00:33:16,080
not to take anything away from you being

855
00:33:19,490 --> 00:33:17,700
able to do that but being in a place

856
00:33:21,649 --> 00:33:19,500
where other people were building their

857
00:33:26,149 --> 00:33:21,659
own intent could in some way you have

858
00:33:27,950 --> 00:33:26,159
gathered extra energy from other people

859
00:33:30,110 --> 00:33:27,960
perhaps yeah I mean I would imagine

860
00:33:33,049 --> 00:33:30,120
that's possible it's frightening if you

861
00:33:34,009 --> 00:33:33,059
look at it from a certain way and yeah

862
00:33:35,750 --> 00:33:34,019
um

863
00:33:38,330 --> 00:33:35,760
then again it makes a lot of sense when

864
00:33:41,210 --> 00:33:38,340
you think about how often we all Gather

865
00:33:42,950 --> 00:33:41,220
in a place surrounding an individual in

866
00:33:45,350 --> 00:33:42,960
front of a microphone or on a stage

867
00:33:47,450 --> 00:33:45,360
right and they're the same people over

868
00:33:48,710 --> 00:33:47,460
and over again so that's a that's pretty

869
00:33:50,090 --> 00:33:48,720
heavy

870
00:33:52,130 --> 00:33:50,100
yeah like I said I wasn't taking

871
00:33:53,509 --> 00:33:52,140
anything away from you I'm Trudy no no

872
00:33:55,250 --> 00:33:53,519
no no no

873
00:33:56,810 --> 00:33:55,260
thinking about you know this being

874
00:33:58,730 --> 00:33:56,820
putting myself in that place and I

875
00:34:01,009 --> 00:33:58,740
automatically imagined other people in

876
00:34:03,529 --> 00:34:01,019
almost in a line doing something similar

877
00:34:05,090 --> 00:34:03,539
with this buildup of something around us

878
00:34:09,710 --> 00:34:05,100
all I don't know

879
00:34:12,950 --> 00:34:09,720
yeah no I like a lot of folks who have

880
00:34:15,829 --> 00:34:12,960
experienced this stuff my well there's

881
00:34:17,750 --> 00:34:15,839
two ways to go a lot of folks Dive In

882
00:34:19,250 --> 00:34:17,760
believe everything and then you end up

883
00:34:21,710 --> 00:34:19,260
like we've all seen that video the guy

884
00:34:22,609 --> 00:34:21,720
running down the beach at the lady you

885
00:34:24,530 --> 00:34:22,619
know and they're trying to put up their

886
00:34:27,829 --> 00:34:24,540
Chi walls and I mean yeah we can't help

887
00:34:30,409 --> 00:34:27,839
the lab I mean I believe in Chi or or

888
00:34:32,089 --> 00:34:30,419
Prana you know energy

889
00:34:35,149 --> 00:34:32,099
but I don't think I can stop a

890
00:34:38,510 --> 00:34:35,159
linebacker but you know not at all I

891
00:34:43,129 --> 00:34:41,329
but again what if what if we knew what

892
00:34:45,230 --> 00:34:43,139
we were doing you know we're we're

893
00:34:47,089 --> 00:34:45,240
wishing right now but

894
00:34:48,290 --> 00:34:47,099
I've sat around a lot and I still can't

895
00:34:50,210 --> 00:34:48,300
figure out what's the first thing I

896
00:34:51,169 --> 00:34:50,220
should do now that I know this other

897
00:34:53,510 --> 00:34:51,179
than

898
00:34:55,250 --> 00:34:53,520
try to share the story pragmatically get

899
00:34:57,770 --> 00:34:55,260
other people to you know chill out don't

900
00:35:00,170 --> 00:34:57,780
go too woo you know I

901
00:35:01,550 --> 00:35:00,180
you get inspired you get inspired we're

902
00:35:04,190 --> 00:35:01,560
all in different parts on our journey

903
00:35:06,349 --> 00:35:04,200
and sometimes inspiration takes us on

904
00:35:07,790 --> 00:35:06,359
Wild Goose chases and sometimes it leads

905
00:35:10,750 --> 00:35:07,800
to brilliance

906
00:35:14,690 --> 00:35:12,890
there's something to this that matters

907
00:35:17,210 --> 00:35:14,700
and the fact that

908
00:35:19,010 --> 00:35:17,220
none of our institutions teach it none

909
00:35:21,230 --> 00:35:19,020
of our institutions teach any kind of

910
00:35:22,849 --> 00:35:21,240
like the word intuition is still

911
00:35:25,310 --> 00:35:22,859
something that that's not a real that's

912
00:35:26,990 --> 00:35:25,320
not real you know we've all got it but

913
00:35:29,270 --> 00:35:27,000
don't trust it oh you trust yours well I

914
00:35:32,870 --> 00:35:29,280
don't trust mine

915
00:35:34,490 --> 00:35:32,880
uh nah I think we've all we've all had

916
00:35:35,750 --> 00:35:34,500
enough synchronicities most a lot of us

917
00:35:36,770 --> 00:35:35,760
have the people who are having this

918
00:35:39,410 --> 00:35:36,780
conversation have had enough

919
00:35:41,089 --> 00:35:39,420
synchronicities and then went and did a

920
00:35:42,349 --> 00:35:41,099
little bit of research and have have had

921
00:35:43,970 --> 00:35:42,359
enough conversations to say there's

922
00:35:45,829 --> 00:35:43,980
there's enough going on here we should

923
00:35:47,930 --> 00:35:45,839
we should organize

924
00:35:50,270 --> 00:35:47,940
and we should apply science and

925
00:35:51,890 --> 00:35:50,280
pragmatism to this you know that of

926
00:35:53,030 --> 00:35:51,900
course we need an emotional side but we

927
00:35:55,250 --> 00:35:53,040
need

928
00:35:57,290 --> 00:35:55,260
it's like we're back to that point where

929
00:36:00,349 --> 00:35:57,300
we need to remarry physics and

930
00:36:02,210 --> 00:36:00,359
philosophy and Science and religion back

931
00:36:05,270 --> 00:36:02,220
into one thing which is the study of

932
00:36:08,450 --> 00:36:05,280
reality again you know not not just into

933
00:36:10,910 --> 00:36:08,460
these balkanized groups of no my my

934
00:36:12,530 --> 00:36:10,920
God's better than yours and my theories

935
00:36:14,690 --> 00:36:12,540
better than yours and my lack of

936
00:36:17,870 --> 00:36:14,700
evidence is way better than your lack of

937
00:36:22,490 --> 00:36:19,970
well I mean that's a perfect segue into

938
00:36:24,530 --> 00:36:22,500
what I was going to ask you about is I I

939
00:36:26,930 --> 00:36:24,540
just finished reading unbelievable it's

940
00:36:29,630 --> 00:36:26,940
a book that that uh kind of covers the

941
00:36:32,210 --> 00:36:29,640
the history of the Duke's parapsychology

942
00:36:35,089 --> 00:36:32,220
program that started up I believe in the

943
00:36:37,270 --> 00:36:35,099
50s and you know one of the things I was

944
00:36:40,310 --> 00:36:37,280
struck by in it was

945
00:36:42,530 --> 00:36:40,320
how ubiquitous this type of research was

946
00:36:44,210 --> 00:36:42,540
early on right you know you had Duke

947
00:36:46,609 --> 00:36:44,220
doing it you had Harvard doing it you

948
00:36:48,829 --> 00:36:46,619
had the University of Virginia uh

949
00:36:51,410 --> 00:36:48,839
getting their uh their hands into the

950
00:36:54,470 --> 00:36:51,420
matter and that's obviously taken a bit

951
00:36:56,349 --> 00:36:54,480
of a step back in recent years and you

952
00:36:59,150 --> 00:36:56,359
know speaking of you know psychic

953
00:37:00,410 --> 00:36:59,160
telekinesis uh ESP whatever you want to

954
00:37:04,250 --> 00:37:00,420
call it

955
00:37:06,170 --> 00:37:04,260
um there is a pretty hefty body of

956
00:37:07,609 --> 00:37:06,180
academic evidence

957
00:37:10,730 --> 00:37:07,619
um supporting it now you can argue about

958
00:37:12,109 --> 00:37:10,740
the methods and and conclusions

959
00:37:14,650 --> 00:37:12,119
um but what's really interesting is it

960
00:37:17,450 --> 00:37:14,660
was actually done in a very methodical

961
00:37:18,890 --> 00:37:17,460
statistical way they were even uh

962
00:37:21,109 --> 00:37:18,900
actually the Anthropologist Margaret

963
00:37:23,329 --> 00:37:21,119
Mead was a big proponent of This

964
00:37:26,270 --> 00:37:23,339
research and pointing out how

965
00:37:30,170 --> 00:37:26,280
um sound the methodology was and so my

966
00:37:31,970 --> 00:37:30,180
question is you know how do you think we

967
00:37:33,230 --> 00:37:31,980
address the fact of what you said that

968
00:37:36,829 --> 00:37:33,240
our institutions aren't teaching this

969
00:37:38,810 --> 00:37:36,839
how do we go back and and rebuild the

970
00:37:45,410 --> 00:37:38,820
this body of knowledge in a way that it

971
00:37:51,290 --> 00:37:47,630
how do you have a revolution Society

972
00:37:54,050 --> 00:37:51,300
without the revolution how do you have a

973
00:37:55,010 --> 00:37:54,060
um how do you have a a large body of

974
00:37:57,109 --> 00:37:55,020
people

975
00:37:59,690 --> 00:37:57,119
who are otherwise

976
00:38:00,609 --> 00:37:59,700
okay with the status quo and frightened

977
00:38:03,890 --> 00:38:00,619
into

978
00:38:06,349 --> 00:38:03,900
being relatively docile

979
00:38:07,069 --> 00:38:06,359
to give up everything they have

980
00:38:09,890 --> 00:38:07,079
um

981
00:38:12,349 --> 00:38:09,900
I'm not a I don't I don't like labels

982
00:38:14,810 --> 00:38:12,359
you know so I'll throw out a few that I

983
00:38:17,050 --> 00:38:14,820
don't feel I'm not a prepper I'm not a

984
00:38:20,990 --> 00:38:17,060
constitutionalist I'm not a sovereign

985
00:38:23,510 --> 00:38:21,000
person kind of guy but I'm aware of

986
00:38:27,230 --> 00:38:23,520
facts I know that our our

987
00:38:29,870 --> 00:38:27,240
um our educational system was developed

988
00:38:32,810 --> 00:38:29,880
by those in power who wanted good

989
00:38:34,730 --> 00:38:32,820
workers I understand that that's and I

990
00:38:36,290 --> 00:38:34,740
think if if you had been anyone looking

991
00:38:37,609 --> 00:38:36,300
at the world at that time you might have

992
00:38:39,050 --> 00:38:37,619
even said you know what that's a good

993
00:38:40,130 --> 00:38:39,060
thing for us right now that's what we

994
00:38:41,690 --> 00:38:40,140
need we're

995
00:38:43,370 --> 00:38:41,700
in this well I don't know if you know

996
00:38:45,530 --> 00:38:43,380
you're in the industrial revolution when

997
00:38:47,329 --> 00:38:45,540
it's happening but you know they were in

998
00:38:48,589 --> 00:38:47,339
the middle of it and they were like yeah

999
00:38:51,770 --> 00:38:48,599
that's what we need we need prog

1000
00:38:53,930 --> 00:38:51,780
progress was the word right um but we've

1001
00:38:56,390 --> 00:38:53,940
somehow gotten rid of that word progress

1002
00:38:59,810 --> 00:38:56,400
you know we we took that that awesome

1003
00:39:01,310 --> 00:38:59,820
jump in materialism in a successful

1004
00:39:02,930 --> 00:39:01,320
materialism and

1005
00:39:05,150 --> 00:39:02,940
we did great things with it and we did

1006
00:39:07,609 --> 00:39:05,160
some horrible things with it

1007
00:39:13,370 --> 00:39:10,609
but we didn't we chose not to highlight

1008
00:39:15,890 --> 00:39:13,380
the other aspects of us

1009
00:39:16,849 --> 00:39:15,900
um I can't help but see a little bit of

1010
00:39:32,810 --> 00:39:16,859
a

1011
00:39:34,190 --> 00:39:32,820
they're still voting uh like their

1012
00:39:35,510 --> 00:39:34,200
parents did

1013
00:39:38,870 --> 00:39:35,520
um

1014
00:39:41,810 --> 00:39:38,880
but they we didn't fix anything

1015
00:39:42,829 --> 00:39:41,820
just by having everybody say how it

1016
00:39:44,390 --> 00:39:42,839
should be

1017
00:39:47,390 --> 00:39:44,400
you know

1018
00:39:48,650 --> 00:39:47,400
um and nothing re I won't I shouldn't

1019
00:39:51,950 --> 00:39:48,660
say nothing changed there's people who

1020
00:39:53,930 --> 00:39:51,960
have built lives on on aspects of of

1021
00:39:56,210 --> 00:39:53,940
social change that did occur and I don't

1022
00:39:57,950 --> 00:39:56,220
I don't want to

1023
00:39:59,150 --> 00:39:57,960
they're they dedicate people lost their

1024
00:40:00,890 --> 00:39:59,160
lives for those I don't want to say

1025
00:40:01,970 --> 00:40:00,900
nothing changed a lot of things changed

1026
00:40:04,849 --> 00:40:01,980
but

1027
00:40:07,430 --> 00:40:04,859
we're not at a place yet where

1028
00:40:09,349 --> 00:40:07,440
a human being any human being on this

1029
00:40:10,970 --> 00:40:09,359
Earth on this planet has the same rights

1030
00:40:13,609 --> 00:40:10,980
as any other given human being or has

1031
00:40:16,130 --> 00:40:13,619
the same expectation of safety or or

1032
00:40:19,069 --> 00:40:16,140
respect or anything like that

1033
00:40:21,349 --> 00:40:19,079
why not well

1034
00:40:23,089 --> 00:40:21,359
I think honestly and this will turn so

1035
00:40:24,530 --> 00:40:23,099
many people up but we forgot we forgot

1036
00:40:27,950 --> 00:40:24,540
to love each other

1037
00:40:30,710 --> 00:40:27,960
we forgot to take care of our neighbors

1038
00:40:32,510 --> 00:40:30,720
and we just kept looking for ways to

1039
00:40:34,069 --> 00:40:32,520
progress and succeed

1040
00:40:36,470 --> 00:40:34,079
but we didn't bring our heart we didn't

1041
00:40:39,530 --> 00:40:36,480
bring our minds along with us

1042
00:40:41,750 --> 00:40:39,540
um and it's sad because you can look at

1043
00:40:42,950 --> 00:40:41,760
you can see it and you can see the

1044
00:40:46,370 --> 00:40:42,960
amount of people that don't know what's

1045
00:40:47,990 --> 00:40:46,380
going on that only take

1046
00:40:49,970 --> 00:40:48,000
um their world view from from their

1047
00:40:51,050 --> 00:40:49,980
Electronics essentially from the

1048
00:40:52,730 --> 00:40:51,060
television they're following their

1049
00:40:54,890 --> 00:40:52,740
computer

1050
00:40:56,329 --> 00:40:54,900
um and even those that will go a little

1051
00:40:57,170 --> 00:40:56,339
bit further and pick up a book here and

1052
00:40:58,670 --> 00:40:57,180
there and I don't mean to be

1053
00:41:00,589 --> 00:40:58,680
condescending like that and say it that

1054
00:41:04,310 --> 00:41:00,599
way but not a lot of people are reading

1055
00:41:06,890 --> 00:41:04,320
anymore or or going Beyond what's given

1056
00:41:10,849 --> 00:41:06,900
to them even at that point you're still

1057
00:41:15,829 --> 00:41:13,609
but we lose most folks that at that

1058
00:41:17,990 --> 00:41:15,839
point because they get angry their their

1059
00:41:20,930 --> 00:41:18,000
their rage gets there and they go oh my

1060
00:41:23,329 --> 00:41:20,940
God we've really been manipulated in and

1061
00:41:25,130 --> 00:41:23,339
stepped on and held back

1062
00:41:27,790 --> 00:41:25,140
and nobody wants to listen to the person

1063
00:41:30,109 --> 00:41:27,800
yelling in the elevator

1064
00:41:32,569 --> 00:41:30,119
so they don't get heard

1065
00:41:34,370 --> 00:41:32,579
yeah and

1066
00:41:37,010 --> 00:41:34,380
I think we all kind of know that so it's

1067
00:41:38,810 --> 00:41:37,020
like who who will be the person to stand

1068
00:41:41,390 --> 00:41:38,820
up to finally strike that chord with all

1069
00:41:43,490 --> 00:41:41,400
of us what will be the event that has us

1070
00:41:46,010 --> 00:41:43,500
say no more

1071
00:41:48,950 --> 00:41:46,020
um I I thought we've had 20 of those

1072
00:41:51,589 --> 00:41:48,960
just in the last five years

1073
00:41:53,870 --> 00:41:51,599
um you and me both looking back at the

1074
00:41:55,490 --> 00:41:53,880
way that George Floyd event unfolded

1075
00:41:57,650 --> 00:41:55,500
yeah

1076
00:41:59,930 --> 00:41:57,660
I'm so scarred over

1077
00:42:02,390 --> 00:41:59,940
at this point

1078
00:42:04,130 --> 00:42:02,400
um you know my wife's a my wife is a

1079
00:42:06,290 --> 00:42:04,140
speech therapist she works in the

1080
00:42:07,250 --> 00:42:06,300
schools and we constantly talk about how

1081
00:42:09,170 --> 00:42:07,260
they're

1082
00:42:10,609 --> 00:42:09,180
have now at this point the idea there

1083
00:42:11,510 --> 00:42:10,619
have been more shootings in days in the

1084
00:42:14,150 --> 00:42:11,520
year

1085
00:42:18,410 --> 00:42:16,130
that's got to be the last straw

1086
00:42:19,970 --> 00:42:18,420
please could it be the last straw you

1087
00:42:21,710 --> 00:42:19,980
know children should have been the last

1088
00:42:23,630 --> 00:42:21,720
straw but can can just the blatant

1089
00:42:26,150 --> 00:42:23,640
idiocy of these numbers be the last

1090
00:42:28,490 --> 00:42:26,160
straw yeah and the fact that this just

1091
00:42:32,030 --> 00:42:28,500
isn't happening anywhere else

1092
00:42:35,089 --> 00:42:32,040
it's not and

1093
00:42:36,470 --> 00:42:35,099
the idea that we can't as a as what we

1094
00:42:38,930 --> 00:42:36,480
what I would call an American family

1095
00:42:42,470 --> 00:42:38,940
still come to the table

1096
00:42:43,730 --> 00:42:42,480
and and go can we do it for the kids you

1097
00:42:46,130 --> 00:42:43,740
know you know like

1098
00:42:48,890 --> 00:42:46,140
uh and so uh

1099
00:42:50,450 --> 00:42:48,900
anyway that's politics that's not the

1100
00:42:55,010 --> 00:42:50,460
Consciousness stuff we want to talk

1101
00:43:00,230 --> 00:42:58,190
yeah no but I I I feel you buddy I

1102
00:43:02,390 --> 00:43:00,240
really do it can be tough and Vinnie I

1103
00:43:05,329 --> 00:43:02,400
know I'm only I only can imagine what it

1104
00:43:07,790 --> 00:43:05,339
looks like as an outsider looking in

1105
00:43:10,849 --> 00:43:07,800
yeah it's

1106
00:43:13,430 --> 00:43:10,859
it's hard to comprehend how these things

1107
00:43:14,450 --> 00:43:13,440
keep happening and nothing is getting

1108
00:43:16,970 --> 00:43:14,460
done

1109
00:43:18,950 --> 00:43:16,980
because you get so many people I won't

1110
00:43:20,990 --> 00:43:18,960
go on about it but all we see is people

1111
00:43:22,670 --> 00:43:21,000
defending the Constitution and the right

1112
00:43:24,650 --> 00:43:22,680
to bear arms and things like that that's

1113
00:43:28,490 --> 00:43:24,660
what's coming across the pond a lot more

1114
00:43:29,510 --> 00:43:28,500
than just stop to stop and find another

1115
00:43:34,130 --> 00:43:29,520
way

1116
00:43:36,109 --> 00:43:34,140
conversation for another time but I

1117
00:43:38,210 --> 00:43:36,119
appreciate it being brought up and and

1118
00:43:40,250 --> 00:43:38,220
that so let's shift the conversation

1119
00:43:41,870 --> 00:43:40,260
slightly Sean because something we heard

1120
00:43:43,550 --> 00:43:41,880
about a few months ago that was flying

1121
00:43:46,370 --> 00:43:43,560
around Twitter and other places was a

1122
00:43:48,770 --> 00:43:46,380
supposed meeting you had with one Lady

1123
00:43:50,990 --> 00:43:48,780
Gaga and I just wondered if you could

1124
00:43:53,329 --> 00:43:51,000
expand on that and uh give us the story

1125
00:43:59,089 --> 00:43:53,339
are you guys best friends now

1126
00:44:01,790 --> 00:43:59,099
no I I did avoid becoming her enemy and

1127
00:44:03,589 --> 00:44:01,800
but I have to be honest with you I um I

1128
00:44:06,170 --> 00:44:03,599
did not get to meet her

1129
00:44:07,910 --> 00:44:06,180
um everybody else that was there did

1130
00:44:10,370 --> 00:44:07,920
but um

1131
00:44:14,270 --> 00:44:10,380
Lou and I had been um been asked by Gary

1132
00:44:16,910 --> 00:44:14,280
Nolan to and uh Lou Chris melon and I

1133
00:44:17,750 --> 00:44:16,920
had been asked by Gary Nolan to speak at

1134
00:44:21,230 --> 00:44:17,760
uh

1135
00:44:23,450 --> 00:44:21,240
the Parker Foundation dinner that he was

1136
00:44:27,170 --> 00:44:23,460
at with Sean Parker um they have an

1137
00:44:28,069 --> 00:44:27,180
oncology uh Foundation that is is

1138
00:44:30,770 --> 00:44:28,079
um

1139
00:44:31,370 --> 00:44:30,780
uh cancer research

1140
00:44:34,309 --> 00:44:31,380
um

1141
00:44:35,750 --> 00:44:34,319
very uh very illustrious list of people

1142
00:44:38,809 --> 00:44:35,760
who donate to the who are part of the

1143
00:44:40,370 --> 00:44:38,819
Parker foundation and who donate to it

1144
00:44:42,950 --> 00:44:40,380
um the people that I was sitting with

1145
00:44:43,970 --> 00:44:42,960
that evening were Sean Parker and his

1146
00:44:46,730 --> 00:44:43,980
wife

1147
00:44:49,550 --> 00:44:46,740
um Lou Jacques valet

1148
00:44:52,309 --> 00:44:49,560
um Steve Jobs son I can't remember his

1149
00:44:55,490 --> 00:44:52,319
name anymore after a year and a half

1150
00:44:57,410 --> 00:44:55,500
um and let's see uh there were a couple

1151
00:45:00,849 --> 00:44:57,420
of Nobel Prize winners at the table Lady

1152
00:45:03,890 --> 00:45:00,859
Gaga was in the table behind us my wife

1153
00:45:05,569 --> 00:45:03,900
was at the table behind me she was at uh

1154
00:45:07,849 --> 00:45:05,579
her chair was right behind me so I could

1155
00:45:10,670 --> 00:45:07,859
reach back and grab her but um that

1156
00:45:12,710 --> 00:45:10,680
night uh Gary

1157
00:45:14,690 --> 00:45:12,720
outed himself for the first time as

1158
00:45:16,490 --> 00:45:14,700
having worked on these programs and oh

1159
00:45:17,990 --> 00:45:16,500
wow so the first people that he got to

1160
00:45:21,589 --> 00:45:18,000
tell were some of his colleagues in

1161
00:45:24,589 --> 00:45:21,599
oncology and in Academia as as it should

1162
00:45:26,210 --> 00:45:24,599
be and they got to hear from from the

1163
00:45:27,890 --> 00:45:26,220
horse's mouth

1164
00:45:29,390 --> 00:45:27,900
um what what you know Gary had been

1165
00:45:31,309 --> 00:45:29,400
working on these programs and that he

1166
00:45:33,170 --> 00:45:31,319
had knowledge about them and

1167
00:45:35,690 --> 00:45:33,180
understanding and then we talked about

1168
00:45:38,870 --> 00:45:35,700
our parts uh when we were done Lou said

1169
00:45:40,550 --> 00:45:38,880
to me uh hey Sean come here and uh I

1170
00:45:45,170 --> 00:45:40,560
made a beeline right for him he was with

1171
00:45:47,630 --> 00:45:45,180
this what a little Italian lady and um I

1172
00:45:49,370 --> 00:45:47,640
I didn't look at her I just told him no

1173
00:45:50,690 --> 00:45:49,380
man I got I gotta I gotta go use the

1174
00:45:52,250 --> 00:45:50,700
bathroom and he's like no come here for

1175
00:45:53,930 --> 00:45:52,260
a second and I'm like no and I went I

1176
00:45:55,250 --> 00:45:53,940
went I walked right at him and went

1177
00:45:58,190 --> 00:45:55,260
around him

1178
00:45:59,870 --> 00:45:58,200
and went about four or five Doors Down

1179
00:46:02,690 --> 00:45:59,880
where there was nobody and then I

1180
00:46:04,970 --> 00:46:02,700
nervously threw up in the bushes on the

1181
00:46:06,650 --> 00:46:04,980
side of a building because the whole

1182
00:46:08,630 --> 00:46:06,660
thing just had me nervous this was not

1183
00:46:10,430 --> 00:46:08,640
my scene that was way more opulent than

1184
00:46:11,870 --> 00:46:10,440
I was used to everybody's looking at me

1185
00:46:13,490 --> 00:46:11,880
and asking me all these big questions

1186
00:46:19,849 --> 00:46:13,500
like

1187
00:46:21,349 --> 00:46:19,859
good I had to go use the bathroom he

1188
00:46:24,290 --> 00:46:21,359
goes well you just blew off Lady Gaga

1189
00:46:24,300 --> 00:46:30,410
like the one person I wanted to meet

1190
00:46:35,630 --> 00:46:33,230
so yeah I never I never I didn't didn't

1191
00:46:37,609 --> 00:46:35,640
mean I guess she was she was in still in

1192
00:46:39,950 --> 00:46:37,619
um had the hair and the general look of

1193
00:46:42,069 --> 00:46:39,960
the um geez what movie was it like

1194
00:46:43,970 --> 00:46:42,079
Versace or something like that some

1195
00:46:45,589 --> 00:46:43,980
fashion movie

1196
00:46:47,089 --> 00:46:45,599
um I don't know who it was but she had

1197
00:46:48,109 --> 00:46:47,099
just done that so she she didn't look

1198
00:46:50,450 --> 00:46:48,119
like Gaga

1199
00:46:53,030 --> 00:46:50,460
right and um so I didn't recognize her

1200
00:46:55,390 --> 00:46:53,040
but yeah that's that's that story wow

1201
00:46:58,010 --> 00:46:55,400
but she was into UAP apparently right

1202
00:46:59,450 --> 00:46:58,020
well I don't yeah she had a lot of

1203
00:47:01,130 --> 00:46:59,460
apparently she wanted to ask me some

1204
00:47:02,030 --> 00:47:01,140
questions about my experience she had

1205
00:47:03,410 --> 00:47:02,040
been talking a little she's very

1206
00:47:05,690 --> 00:47:03,420
interested in it

1207
00:47:09,170 --> 00:47:05,700
um without giving without talking about

1208
00:47:11,349 --> 00:47:09,180
anyone's specific personal stories I did

1209
00:47:14,510 --> 00:47:11,359
talk to so many people that night

1210
00:47:18,290 --> 00:47:14,520
well-placed folks in both

1211
00:47:20,329 --> 00:47:18,300
government Society entertainment Etc who

1212
00:47:22,010 --> 00:47:20,339
were all experiencers and I I have not

1213
00:47:23,870 --> 00:47:22,020
been a fan of that word over the years

1214
00:47:27,109 --> 00:47:23,880
but I haven't come up with a better one

1215
00:47:28,430 --> 00:47:27,119
to we're having an experience right so I

1216
00:47:30,849 --> 00:47:28,440
haven't found a better one to replace it

1217
00:47:34,210 --> 00:47:30,859
with so I just have to give in but um

1218
00:47:37,490 --> 00:47:34,220
weirdos the amount of really

1219
00:47:40,550 --> 00:47:37,500
well-educated Lucid cogent

1220
00:47:43,849 --> 00:47:40,560
people who have had daylight interaction

1221
00:47:45,650 --> 00:47:43,859
with whatever the phenomenon is is a

1222
00:47:46,730 --> 00:47:45,660
little ridiculous when you get down to

1223
00:47:48,050 --> 00:47:46,740
it because it really makes you wonder

1224
00:47:51,349 --> 00:47:48,060
about some of the stories we hear about

1225
00:47:53,270 --> 00:47:51,359
government and politicians who may or

1226
00:47:55,609 --> 00:47:53,280
may not have had

1227
00:47:57,530 --> 00:47:55,619
um abduction experiences for lack of a

1228
00:47:59,809 --> 00:47:57,540
better word

1229
00:48:02,569 --> 00:47:59,819
yeah I mean it's it's remarkable when

1230
00:48:04,430 --> 00:48:02,579
you actually start raising this lifting

1231
00:48:08,030 --> 00:48:04,440
the stigma apologies

1232
00:48:09,589 --> 00:48:08,040
how many people do share share details

1233
00:48:11,030 --> 00:48:09,599
about this I mean one of the things that

1234
00:48:14,270 --> 00:48:11,040
that really struck me when you were

1235
00:48:16,910 --> 00:48:14,280
speaking on a recent interview also was

1236
00:48:19,730 --> 00:48:16,920
how often we kind of forget about them

1237
00:48:21,589 --> 00:48:19,740
or just kind of set them aside maybe

1238
00:48:22,790 --> 00:48:21,599
it's a psychological coping mechanism I

1239
00:48:25,490 --> 00:48:22,800
don't know

1240
00:48:27,589 --> 00:48:25,500
um but you mentioned that you'd had kind

1241
00:48:30,109 --> 00:48:27,599
of a series of different experiences

1242
00:48:33,290 --> 00:48:30,119
from the metal basketballs that were I

1243
00:48:35,270 --> 00:48:33,300
guess 20 feet or so to the green orbs to

1244
00:48:36,589 --> 00:48:35,280
the black triangles and

1245
00:48:38,150 --> 00:48:36,599
um and that you would experience at

1246
00:48:40,370 --> 00:48:38,160
least on one occasion

1247
00:48:42,410 --> 00:48:40,380
kind of just forgetting about it do you

1248
00:48:44,150 --> 00:48:42,420
think that's something that is

1249
00:48:46,190 --> 00:48:44,160
intentional with the phenomenon do you

1250
00:48:47,870 --> 00:48:46,200
think it's just a product of our our

1251
00:48:49,609 --> 00:48:47,880
psychology and how we cope with it what

1252
00:48:51,230 --> 00:48:49,619
are your thoughts on that

1253
00:48:53,089 --> 00:48:51,240
I think um

1254
00:48:54,950 --> 00:48:53,099
even though I'm not a fan of Duality and

1255
00:48:58,430 --> 00:48:54,960
want to get away from it um it's useful

1256
00:48:59,630 --> 00:48:58,440
there's two sides this coin as well

1257
00:49:02,450 --> 00:48:59,640
um if we want to think of it

1258
00:49:04,010 --> 00:49:02,460
benevolently

1259
00:49:05,270 --> 00:49:04,020
um I'm still frightened of the

1260
00:49:07,670 --> 00:49:05,280
phenomenon

1261
00:49:10,910 --> 00:49:07,680
if and what I mean by that is if I've

1262
00:49:13,550 --> 00:49:10,920
had if I go sit outside and I will

1263
00:49:16,670 --> 00:49:13,560
myself to imagine what it would be like

1264
00:49:18,710 --> 00:49:16,680
if a craft came down and somebody got

1265
00:49:20,510 --> 00:49:18,720
off and came up and talked I end up

1266
00:49:23,030 --> 00:49:20,520
frightened excited they're frightened

1267
00:49:24,530 --> 00:49:23,040
right now that doesn't mean that you

1268
00:49:25,670 --> 00:49:24,540
couldn't tranquilize me to the point

1269
00:49:29,870 --> 00:49:25,680
where I could still have a conversation

1270
00:49:31,910 --> 00:49:29,880
be a useful person to communicate with

1271
00:49:34,130 --> 00:49:31,920
but I know I'm frightened and I also

1272
00:49:35,750 --> 00:49:34,140
know that if I had if I did see all of

1273
00:49:37,849 --> 00:49:35,760
that today

1274
00:49:39,910 --> 00:49:37,859
I'd be a blabbermouth idiot when I was

1275
00:49:43,010 --> 00:49:39,920
done if I remembered everything

1276
00:49:44,870 --> 00:49:43,020
I really would be and I think I think I

1277
00:49:45,710 --> 00:49:44,880
would given all we've been through in

1278
00:49:47,569 --> 00:49:45,720
the last

1279
00:49:49,670 --> 00:49:47,579
x amount of years and the fact that

1280
00:49:51,410 --> 00:49:49,680
we're still here I think I'd risk losing

1281
00:49:53,630 --> 00:49:51,420
my family

1282
00:49:54,950 --> 00:49:53,640
um I've kept it together even though

1283
00:49:57,589 --> 00:49:54,960
it's been weird it's been pretty weird

1284
00:49:59,690 --> 00:49:57,599
at times this this was not an easy thing

1285
00:50:01,849 --> 00:49:59,700
to bring home and have people go you did

1286
00:50:03,770 --> 00:50:01,859
that like somebody give that to you but

1287
00:50:07,870 --> 00:50:03,780
you did it

1288
00:50:12,890 --> 00:50:10,430
but then again you've got Colonel John

1289
00:50:15,410 --> 00:50:12,900
Alexander saying recently on a podcast

1290
00:50:18,589 --> 00:50:15,420
that his team had utilized

1291
00:50:21,290 --> 00:50:18,599
neuro-linguistic programming to place

1292
00:50:22,609 --> 00:50:21,300
the idea that an abduction had occurred

1293
00:50:23,569 --> 00:50:22,619
in a subject's mind

1294
00:50:26,270 --> 00:50:23,579
right

1295
00:50:29,089 --> 00:50:26,280
so we know that manipulation

1296
00:50:31,790 --> 00:50:29,099
is possible

1297
00:50:33,589 --> 00:50:31,800
and if the manipulation causes you to

1298
00:50:37,430 --> 00:50:33,599
question your memory

1299
00:50:39,770 --> 00:50:37,440
now the origin of that memory is a

1300
00:50:43,130 --> 00:50:39,780
question right

1301
00:50:45,410 --> 00:50:43,140
so a lot of people again with that

1302
00:50:47,030 --> 00:50:45,420
Duality fall one of two ways they fall

1303
00:50:48,890 --> 00:50:47,040
over into the world the aliens are

1304
00:50:51,109 --> 00:50:48,900
protecting me from something that might

1305
00:50:52,370 --> 00:50:51,119
hurt me otherwise and you've got the

1306
00:50:53,930 --> 00:50:52,380
folks that are falling over on the other

1307
00:50:58,010 --> 00:50:53,940
side that go no it's all it's all

1308
00:51:01,910 --> 00:50:59,569
um and as with most of these things

1309
00:51:04,370 --> 00:51:01,920
somewhere in the middle

1310
00:51:08,390 --> 00:51:04,380
is is where the truth lies it bothers me

1311
00:51:10,609 --> 00:51:08,400
that um that we can

1312
00:51:12,770 --> 00:51:10,619
if you've if you've taken an interest in

1313
00:51:14,510 --> 00:51:12,780
Psychology and and group dynamics and

1314
00:51:16,370 --> 00:51:14,520
things like that if you've ever seen the

1315
00:51:19,430 --> 00:51:16,380
um there's a very famous video that's

1316
00:51:21,770 --> 00:51:19,440
shown of people playing basketball

1317
00:51:24,230 --> 00:51:21,780
there's a bunch of movements very very

1318
00:51:26,270 --> 00:51:24,240
Dynamic and in the middle of it a person

1319
00:51:28,970 --> 00:51:26,280
at gorilla suit walks right through yeah

1320
00:51:31,130 --> 00:51:28,980
you miss it and most of us watch that

1321
00:51:32,870 --> 00:51:31,140
the first time and we don't see the

1322
00:51:34,490 --> 00:51:32,880
gorilla

1323
00:51:36,470 --> 00:51:34,500
um the Blue Dress meme a couple of years

1324
00:51:38,990 --> 00:51:36,480
ago on Tick Tock where we were all

1325
00:51:41,030 --> 00:51:39,000
perceiving it is not blue yeah right

1326
00:51:43,670 --> 00:51:41,040
it's gray right a pig

1327
00:51:45,410 --> 00:51:43,680
oh it's white and gold that's the way

1328
00:51:47,230 --> 00:51:45,420
you can you can sit there and change the

1329
00:51:50,569 --> 00:51:47,240
color

1330
00:51:51,410 --> 00:51:50,579
yeah you can't and yeah that should tell

1331
00:51:56,030 --> 00:51:51,420
us

1332
00:51:58,030 --> 00:51:56,040
I know who I know who's doing doing it

1333
00:52:03,290 --> 00:51:58,040
but it should tell us that we're we're

1334
00:52:03,300 --> 00:52:08,990
again why am I so easily manipulated and

1335
00:52:13,010 --> 00:52:11,270
what what can I do about it is there

1336
00:52:14,150 --> 00:52:13,020
anything that I can do to counteract

1337
00:52:16,670 --> 00:52:14,160
that

1338
00:52:21,230 --> 00:52:17,870
I don't know

1339
00:52:22,670 --> 00:52:21,240
um it's worrisome it's

1340
00:52:25,190 --> 00:52:22,680
I don't want

1341
00:52:27,290 --> 00:52:25,200
what we call a bad State actor to have

1342
00:52:29,630 --> 00:52:27,300
access to this kind of information I

1343
00:52:31,670 --> 00:52:29,640
don't want them to know that a series of

1344
00:52:34,609 --> 00:52:31,680
lights and sounds and frequencies can

1345
00:52:36,609 --> 00:52:34,619
completely change the the mood and tone

1346
00:52:38,990 --> 00:52:36,619
of a large group of human beings and

1347
00:52:40,730 --> 00:52:39,000
perhaps and that

1348
00:52:42,190 --> 00:52:40,740
I mean we've all been frightened at some

1349
00:52:44,270 --> 00:52:42,200
point of the idea of subliminal

1350
00:52:46,190 --> 00:52:44,280
influencing and things like that but the

1351
00:52:48,349 --> 00:52:46,200
fact the fact is it's on our televisions

1352
00:52:51,049 --> 00:52:48,359
it's a part of our advertising whether

1353
00:52:53,630 --> 00:52:51,059
it's what we have been taught to see is

1354
00:52:55,430 --> 00:52:53,640
subliminal you know blatant you know

1355
00:52:57,290 --> 00:52:55,440
backward masking like the The Beatles

1356
00:53:00,609 --> 00:52:57,300
that everybody was freaked out about

1357
00:53:03,370 --> 00:53:00,619
they were just being artists but

1358
00:53:07,970 --> 00:53:03,380
nanosecond flashes of images can affect

1359
00:53:11,030 --> 00:53:07,980
your your impulse buying you know and

1360
00:53:13,490 --> 00:53:11,040
and the way things are presented

1361
00:53:14,390 --> 00:53:13,500
um songs are more moving when vowels are

1362
00:53:17,569 --> 00:53:14,400
used

1363
00:53:19,670 --> 00:53:17,579
in the rising courses and things like

1364
00:53:21,530 --> 00:53:19,680
that there most folks don't know there's

1365
00:53:23,390 --> 00:53:21,540
only like six chord progressions on the

1366
00:53:25,069 --> 00:53:23,400
radio for the last 25 years you've been

1367
00:53:26,450 --> 00:53:25,079
buying the same songs over and over

1368
00:53:34,970 --> 00:53:26,460
again

1369
00:53:37,069 --> 00:53:34,980
um I turned my TV off I I I watch

1370
00:53:38,630 --> 00:53:37,079
I I use it for peer entertainment at

1371
00:53:39,829 --> 00:53:38,640
this point

1372
00:53:41,390 --> 00:53:39,839
um

1373
00:53:45,530 --> 00:53:41,400
and

1374
00:53:48,230 --> 00:53:45,540
you know I'm not talking about you know

1375
00:53:51,970 --> 00:53:48,240
some bro stuff like you know delete your

1376
00:53:56,630 --> 00:53:54,530
but at the same time

1377
00:53:59,690 --> 00:53:56,640
are you using your your attackers or

1378
00:54:02,630 --> 00:53:59,700
Tech using you and

1379
00:54:06,650 --> 00:54:02,640
are you living to just keep paying Apple

1380
00:54:08,329 --> 00:54:06,660
and Samsung and you know is that why

1381
00:54:11,329 --> 00:54:08,339
you're living to buy their products and

1382
00:54:13,910 --> 00:54:11,339
to wear them and to support them I mean

1383
00:54:15,230 --> 00:54:13,920
yeah I'll try again I have to stay away

1384
00:54:17,410 --> 00:54:15,240
from the politics but I can't help but

1385
00:54:19,970 --> 00:54:17,420
say we have we have people that that

1386
00:54:22,309 --> 00:54:19,980
took a political candidate and made them

1387
00:54:24,410 --> 00:54:22,319
made them a an idol

1388
00:54:27,309 --> 00:54:24,420
you know we never did that before you

1389
00:54:30,530 --> 00:54:27,319
know we liked Ike but not that much

1390
00:54:32,809 --> 00:54:30,540
it was like not love yeah yeah yeah so

1391
00:54:34,490 --> 00:54:32,819
so everything's become I hate to again

1392
00:54:36,770 --> 00:54:34,500
we're a broken record everything's

1393
00:54:38,030 --> 00:54:36,780
become a product now you can label me a

1394
00:54:40,609 --> 00:54:38,040
hippie and you don't have to listen to

1395
00:54:44,030 --> 00:54:40,619
me anymore but

1396
00:54:47,630 --> 00:54:44,040
what happened you know there's there's a

1397
00:54:50,690 --> 00:54:47,640
there's a dichotomy right now

1398
00:54:54,890 --> 00:54:50,700
that has no future to it

1399
00:54:57,530 --> 00:54:54,900
that is is just chaotic

1400
00:55:00,950 --> 00:54:57,540
I I don't know it's a chaotic Avalanche

1401
00:55:03,770 --> 00:55:00,960
unless at some point like like Vin said

1402
00:55:06,290 --> 00:55:03,780
we just stopped we stop being jerks

1403
00:55:09,589 --> 00:55:06,300
everybody everybody just says okay what

1404
00:55:12,049 --> 00:55:09,599
do you need from me yeah I haven't seen

1405
00:55:13,490 --> 00:55:12,059
our leaders say what do you need from me

1406
00:55:15,950 --> 00:55:13,500
in a long time

1407
00:55:18,109 --> 00:55:15,960
yeah

1408
00:55:19,910 --> 00:55:18,119
so what do we do you know there's the

1409
00:55:22,069 --> 00:55:19,920
three of us we I guess you and I have

1410
00:55:23,630 --> 00:55:22,079
got San Diego County covered yeah and

1411
00:55:25,809 --> 00:55:23,640
then I'll take care of Great Britain

1412
00:55:28,490 --> 00:55:25,819
yeah

1413
00:55:30,410 --> 00:55:28,500
gotta start somewhere though you know

1414
00:55:32,510 --> 00:55:30,420
you start starting your household start

1415
00:55:34,250 --> 00:55:32,520
in your neighborhood and that's and

1416
00:55:35,569 --> 00:55:34,260
that's true though you do and that your

1417
00:55:37,730 --> 00:55:35,579
household is the best place you can

1418
00:55:39,349 --> 00:55:37,740
start if you can heal your home if

1419
00:55:41,210 --> 00:55:39,359
everybody went home and healed their

1420
00:55:44,030 --> 00:55:41,220
home

1421
00:55:46,069 --> 00:55:44,040
we'd be it'd be an amazing tomorrow

1422
00:55:48,410 --> 00:55:46,079
but

1423
00:55:49,730 --> 00:55:48,420
so many people are too hurt so many

1424
00:55:52,190 --> 00:55:49,740
people are going to wait at home and say

1425
00:55:53,450 --> 00:55:52,200
no come heal me

1426
00:55:54,710 --> 00:55:53,460
right

1427
00:55:56,270 --> 00:55:54,720
so

1428
00:55:58,670 --> 00:55:56,280
that's true

1429
00:56:00,290 --> 00:55:58,680
you know I was very conscious uh no pun

1430
00:56:02,450 --> 00:56:00,300
intended about the way this interview

1431
00:56:05,030 --> 00:56:02,460
would flow and the things we talk about

1432
00:56:09,410 --> 00:56:05,040
as to not sort of delve too deeply into

1433
00:56:11,809 --> 00:56:09,420
specific UFO news and current events so

1434
00:56:14,450 --> 00:56:11,819
I I'll kind of flip the question and say

1435
00:56:16,069 --> 00:56:14,460
has there been anything that's you've

1436
00:56:17,750 --> 00:56:16,079
been following or kept your interest in

1437
00:56:19,609 --> 00:56:17,760
the past six months for example that has

1438
00:56:22,010 --> 00:56:19,619
cropped up in the community or in you

1439
00:56:24,829 --> 00:56:22,020
know in the yeah in the community that

1440
00:56:26,270 --> 00:56:24,839
you think is worth discussing mentioning

1441
00:56:28,010 --> 00:56:26,280
or something that maybe piqued your

1442
00:56:30,290 --> 00:56:28,020
interest

1443
00:56:32,569 --> 00:56:30,300
well I think we all kind of went as in

1444
00:56:35,750 --> 00:56:32,579
the Navy we'd say high and right on the

1445
00:56:38,089 --> 00:56:35,760
um on the balloon issue oh yeah

1446
00:56:40,670 --> 00:56:38,099
um I think

1447
00:56:43,190 --> 00:56:40,680
folks are they take the product that

1448
00:56:45,109 --> 00:56:43,200
they're given and they make a conclusion

1449
00:56:46,849 --> 00:56:45,119
a lot of times you track it back a

1450
00:56:48,589 --> 00:56:46,859
little bit and what's what's the origin

1451
00:56:51,230 --> 00:56:48,599
of that thing

1452
00:56:53,210 --> 00:56:51,240
um why is it happening and while I've

1453
00:56:56,329 --> 00:56:53,220
said I'm not a fan of people saying why

1454
00:56:58,309 --> 00:56:56,339
now are UAP you know a year ago people

1455
00:57:00,109 --> 00:56:58,319
say why now and it's man because we've

1456
00:57:01,790 --> 00:57:00,119
been working our butts off I mean Vin

1457
00:57:03,410 --> 00:57:01,800
knows we work together you know he then

1458
00:57:05,329 --> 00:57:03,420
was part of what we called Sky Fort East

1459
00:57:08,030 --> 00:57:05,339
until we we

1460
00:57:09,589 --> 00:57:08,040
um I shut skyforth down but

1461
00:57:11,450 --> 00:57:09,599
because we worked our butts off we

1462
00:57:13,490 --> 00:57:11,460
worked our butts off to get to say five

1463
00:57:15,230 --> 00:57:13,500
words to some people on occasion you

1464
00:57:18,530 --> 00:57:15,240
know and and to get to say five more

1465
00:57:19,730 --> 00:57:18,540
later on so it wasn't just now you might

1466
00:57:23,390 --> 00:57:19,740
be seeing it now

1467
00:57:25,190 --> 00:57:23,400
but this the balloon thing is is pretty

1468
00:57:26,990 --> 00:57:25,200
simple

1469
00:57:28,790 --> 00:57:27,000
everything we've all been working on for

1470
00:57:31,190 --> 00:57:28,800
the last x amount of years finally came

1471
00:57:33,890 --> 00:57:31,200
to fruition fruition with our defense

1472
00:57:36,049 --> 00:57:33,900
apparatus NORAD Etc removing certain

1473
00:57:38,630 --> 00:57:36,059
filters and certain guidelines on what

1474
00:57:39,829 --> 00:57:38,640
was reported how things were detected

1475
00:57:41,030 --> 00:57:39,839
Etc and what immediately happened

1476
00:57:41,990 --> 00:57:41,040
there's a balloon here there's a balloon

1477
00:57:43,490 --> 00:57:42,000
there there's a thing here there's

1478
00:57:44,390 --> 00:57:43,500
something stopped over here what's going

1479
00:57:47,329 --> 00:57:44,400
on

1480
00:57:50,030 --> 00:57:47,339
now the first things we got pictures of

1481
00:57:53,270 --> 00:57:50,040
were a prosaic Chinese or we excuse me a

1482
00:57:56,270 --> 00:57:53,280
prosaic balloon a large weather balloon

1483
00:57:57,770 --> 00:57:56,280
type balloon with a with us with solar

1484
00:58:00,170 --> 00:57:57,780
panels and some kind of collection

1485
00:58:02,630 --> 00:58:00,180
apparatus underneath and then after that

1486
00:58:05,390 --> 00:58:02,640
we got

1487
00:58:08,089 --> 00:58:05,400
stories anecdotal

1488
00:58:10,130 --> 00:58:08,099
eyewitness testimony from Plenty of

1489
00:58:14,210 --> 00:58:10,140
plenty of good observers about shapes

1490
00:58:16,730 --> 00:58:14,220
and and speed and location

1491
00:58:18,710 --> 00:58:16,740
and then somebody started muddying the

1492
00:58:19,790 --> 00:58:18,720
water somebody's Anonymous person said

1493
00:58:23,210 --> 00:58:19,800
we think it's Chinese Tech with

1494
00:58:26,030 --> 00:58:23,220
anti-gravity it's like hold on a second

1495
00:58:28,190 --> 00:58:26,040
all we know right now is that we we turn

1496
00:58:29,870 --> 00:58:28,200
the lights on and when the roach is

1497
00:58:32,510 --> 00:58:29,880
scattered the biggest road biggest

1498
00:58:34,190 --> 00:58:32,520
slowest roaches were the ones that we

1499
00:58:37,069 --> 00:58:34,200
got pictures of and that we saw and that

1500
00:58:39,589 --> 00:58:37,079
we stepped on everything with capability

1501
00:58:41,930 --> 00:58:39,599
got the hell out of the way and or it's

1502
00:58:44,930 --> 00:58:41,940
going to start showing up a lot more and

1503
00:58:47,150 --> 00:58:44,940
getting reported a lot more but

1504
00:58:48,829 --> 00:58:47,160
people keep defaulting to we want to

1505
00:58:50,329 --> 00:58:48,839
know we need to know we have a right to

1506
00:58:52,430 --> 00:58:50,339
know all of those things are all true

1507
00:58:55,490 --> 00:58:52,440
but the apparatus is not set up for you

1508
00:58:57,349 --> 00:58:55,500
to know not anywhere near immediately so

1509
00:58:58,849 --> 00:58:57,359
anything that was of Interest you're not

1510
00:59:00,410 --> 00:58:58,859
going to hear about it unless it has a

1511
00:59:02,150 --> 00:59:00,420
political gain

1512
00:59:05,510 --> 00:59:02,160
for the administration or the military

1513
00:59:07,789 --> 00:59:05,520
to make it public right so if if there

1514
00:59:11,270 --> 00:59:07,799
was an octagonal

1515
00:59:13,130 --> 00:59:11,280
five observable UAP in the Yukon or

1516
00:59:14,569 --> 00:59:13,140
somewhere else

1517
00:59:17,390 --> 00:59:14,579
I don't think we're going to get that

1518
00:59:19,370 --> 00:59:17,400
info yet because we're still seeing

1519
00:59:21,289 --> 00:59:19,380
portions of Congress in the Senate being

1520
00:59:22,549 --> 00:59:21,299
educated for the very first time that

1521
00:59:25,870 --> 00:59:22,559
this is even real

1522
00:59:28,549 --> 00:59:25,880
yeah so to drop a

1523
00:59:32,210 --> 00:59:28,559
a big bomb like that on everybody

1524
00:59:35,030 --> 00:59:32,220
immediately I I think

1525
00:59:36,890 --> 00:59:35,040
I think people would I don't know we're

1526
00:59:39,950 --> 00:59:36,900
gonna fight the whole time

1527
00:59:43,010 --> 00:59:39,960
until until the day that we are walking

1528
00:59:46,069 --> 00:59:43,020
amongst whatever this is

1529
00:59:47,630 --> 00:59:46,079
without fear and with complete with as

1530
00:59:49,970 --> 00:59:47,640
much as complete understanding people

1531
00:59:53,589 --> 00:59:49,980
are going to wonder every day until then

1532
00:59:56,630 --> 00:59:53,599
if this is Project Blue beam is this

1533
01:00:00,170 --> 00:59:56,640
governmental manipulation is this

1534
01:00:03,410 --> 01:00:00,180
China's version of Project Blue beam is

1535
01:00:05,809 --> 01:00:03,420
it is it is it the global conglomerate

1536
01:00:08,750 --> 01:00:05,819
of of carpet salesman I don't know you

1537
01:00:11,630 --> 01:00:08,760
know whoever you think runs the world

1538
01:00:13,010 --> 01:00:11,640
um is it is it them

1539
01:00:14,390 --> 01:00:13,020
um and we can't help that and I think

1540
01:00:16,130 --> 01:00:14,400
it's a good place for us to be

1541
01:00:17,870 --> 01:00:16,140
suspicious of that because we are

1542
01:00:20,650 --> 01:00:17,880
finally at a place where the technology

1543
01:00:26,089 --> 01:00:20,660
exists between drones

1544
01:00:29,630 --> 01:00:26,099
Holograms NLP phones in your pocket

1545
01:00:31,609 --> 01:00:29,640
flash mob mentality

1546
01:00:33,410 --> 01:00:31,619
it's a scary time for people to try to

1547
01:00:35,750 --> 01:00:33,420
pull the wool over our eyes

1548
01:00:37,849 --> 01:00:35,760
yeah but

1549
01:00:40,250 --> 01:00:37,859
that's a side to the fact that this

1550
01:00:42,410 --> 01:00:40,260
phenomenon has been here present

1551
01:00:46,370 --> 01:00:42,420
for all of our history

1552
01:00:48,109 --> 01:00:46,380
I'm completely confident in saying that

1553
01:00:50,329 --> 01:00:48,119
um

1554
01:00:52,309 --> 01:00:50,339
so again what are we dealing with here

1555
01:00:54,829 --> 01:00:52,319
well we're dealing with Humanity which

1556
01:00:56,270 --> 01:00:54,839
we're stuck with yep every day of the

1557
01:00:59,390 --> 01:00:56,280
week we're and their machination

1558
01:01:01,849 --> 01:00:59,400
Humanities machinations and greed

1559
01:01:04,370 --> 01:01:01,859
um but we're also stuck with

1560
01:01:07,069 --> 01:01:04,380
Humanity's compassion intelligence

1561
01:01:10,430 --> 01:01:07,079
Ingenuity love

1562
01:01:11,990 --> 01:01:10,440
an ability to transcend we're still here

1563
01:01:14,690 --> 01:01:12,000
I don't know how many asteroids have hit

1564
01:01:17,329 --> 01:01:14,700
us I don't know how many tidal waves or

1565
01:01:18,589 --> 01:01:17,339
crustal displacements or other things

1566
01:01:20,329 --> 01:01:18,599
that everybody worries about have

1567
01:01:22,370 --> 01:01:20,339
happened before we've gone down to

1568
01:01:25,849 --> 01:01:22,380
around a hundred they think at some

1569
01:01:28,730 --> 01:01:25,859
point in South Africa 100 human beings

1570
01:01:31,309 --> 01:01:28,740
as we call them and now we know that

1571
01:01:34,069 --> 01:01:31,319
we're we're all hybrids every single one

1572
01:01:36,289 --> 01:01:34,079
of us is a hybrid there's no one here

1573
01:01:39,109 --> 01:01:36,299
that's not a hybrid of of different

1574
01:01:42,190 --> 01:01:39,119
hominids whether it's Neanderthal Pro

1575
01:01:43,970 --> 01:01:42,200
Magnum denisovan you know Etc

1576
01:01:46,370 --> 01:01:43,980
so

1577
01:01:50,390 --> 01:01:46,380
this the old world thinking

1578
01:01:52,370 --> 01:01:50,400
that races exist in in a fashion that's

1579
01:01:53,150 --> 01:01:52,380
useful

1580
01:01:56,150 --> 01:01:53,160
um

1581
01:01:57,770 --> 01:01:56,160
the the fact that you know the Out of

1582
01:02:00,230 --> 01:01:57,780
Africa Theory all of these other

1583
01:02:02,510 --> 01:02:00,240
theories about how exactly things went

1584
01:02:03,530 --> 01:02:02,520
that paint a eurocentric picture of the

1585
01:02:06,289 --> 01:02:03,540
world

1586
01:02:08,450 --> 01:02:06,299
it's we're safe to get rid of them now

1587
01:02:10,849 --> 01:02:08,460
we're we're safe to get rid of that

1588
01:02:12,890 --> 01:02:10,859
eurocentrism we're safe to embrace the

1589
01:02:15,770 --> 01:02:12,900
fact that India has a longer richer

1590
01:02:17,930 --> 01:02:15,780
history than than Europe did right we're

1591
01:02:20,750 --> 01:02:17,940
we're able to look into China and see

1592
01:02:22,190 --> 01:02:20,760
see just how technologically incredible

1593
01:02:23,930 --> 01:02:22,200
they were when the rest of us were

1594
01:02:28,010 --> 01:02:23,940
dealing with the black plague and how

1595
01:02:30,250 --> 01:02:28,020
how Islam basically saved science you

1596
01:02:32,870 --> 01:02:30,260
know started universities and yeah

1597
01:02:34,670 --> 01:02:32,880
absolutely and how how all of these

1598
01:02:37,370 --> 01:02:34,680
religions that we that we come and go

1599
01:02:41,030 --> 01:02:37,380
with have been the aggressor the

1600
01:02:42,589 --> 01:02:41,040
oppressor the victim the Savior at some

1601
01:02:43,789 --> 01:02:42,599
point in in the time that they've

1602
01:02:46,190 --> 01:02:43,799
existed

1603
01:02:48,710 --> 01:02:46,200
at the at the end of all of it what does

1604
01:02:50,510 --> 01:02:48,720
it say we're all the same we're just

1605
01:02:52,549 --> 01:02:50,520
we're just different painted containers

1606
01:02:54,289 --> 01:02:52,559
full of the same water

1607
01:02:56,150 --> 01:02:54,299
you know pointing at each other and

1608
01:02:58,370 --> 01:02:56,160
going you're different because I only

1609
01:02:59,510 --> 01:02:58,380
see the blue well I'm full of water just

1610
01:03:01,970 --> 01:02:59,520
like you

1611
01:03:04,010 --> 01:03:01,980
you know and that's

1612
01:03:05,690 --> 01:03:04,020
it gets preachy but celebrating

1613
01:03:08,569 --> 01:03:05,700
diversity that's what celebrating

1614
01:03:10,690 --> 01:03:08,579
diversity is and it shouldn't frighten

1615
01:03:14,750 --> 01:03:10,700
people to have

1616
01:03:15,950 --> 01:03:14,760
more variety of different things that

1617
01:03:18,410 --> 01:03:15,960
can interact with each other and

1618
01:03:20,210 --> 01:03:18,420
communicate people and things that can

1619
01:03:22,970 --> 01:03:20,220
communicate with each other

1620
01:03:25,309 --> 01:03:22,980
that that tells us more about this

1621
01:03:26,750 --> 01:03:25,319
environment the more eyes we have on

1622
01:03:28,910 --> 01:03:26,760
this the closer we're going to get to

1623
01:03:31,430 --> 01:03:28,920
actually understanding Where We Are

1624
01:03:35,390 --> 01:03:31,440
so

1625
01:03:37,849 --> 01:03:35,400
whether if you're a materialist and you

1626
01:03:40,130 --> 01:03:37,859
say what is the what is the nuts and

1627
01:03:42,230 --> 01:03:40,140
bolts value of UAP and how can I use it

1628
01:03:43,730 --> 01:03:42,240
to succeed and dominate from a

1629
01:03:45,770 --> 01:03:43,740
nationalistic sense or whether you look

1630
01:03:47,210 --> 01:03:45,780
at it and say wow man where are they

1631
01:03:48,829 --> 01:03:47,220
coming from who are they what do they

1632
01:03:51,109 --> 01:03:48,839
think what do they know why do they want

1633
01:03:53,270 --> 01:03:51,119
to talk to us you know you've got both

1634
01:03:55,730 --> 01:03:53,280
of those sides exist

1635
01:03:58,250 --> 01:03:55,740
and we have to stop pretending that we

1636
01:03:59,930 --> 01:03:58,260
did that the other folks don't exist

1637
01:04:02,870 --> 01:03:59,940
and that they don't have a right to

1638
01:04:04,549 --> 01:04:02,880
exist right it that's the heart been the

1639
01:04:06,530 --> 01:04:04,559
hardest part for me is is

1640
01:04:08,150 --> 01:04:06,540
and that sounds harsh but the the idea

1641
01:04:09,950 --> 01:04:08,160
that the dissenting opinion that you

1642
01:04:11,710 --> 01:04:09,960
believe is wrong does it have a right to

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01:04:13,910 --> 01:04:11,720
keep being heard

1644
01:04:15,770 --> 01:04:13,920
there was a time when I was certainly

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01:04:17,750 --> 01:04:15,780
wrong and

1646
01:04:20,630 --> 01:04:17,760
I wanted the right to continue to be

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01:04:23,589 --> 01:04:20,640
heard so

1648
01:04:27,109 --> 01:04:23,599
no no not a fantastic answer

1649
01:04:28,370 --> 01:04:27,119
yeah no absolutely and I want to be

1650
01:04:31,010 --> 01:04:28,380
really mindful of your time because

1651
01:04:34,130 --> 01:04:31,020
we're very lucky to have you

1652
01:04:36,530 --> 01:04:34,140
um but I but I do want to ask so we

1653
01:04:38,690 --> 01:04:36,540
spoke just a little bit about the recent

1654
01:04:40,309 --> 01:04:38,700
past what are you looking forward to in

1655
01:04:43,670 --> 01:04:40,319
this year do you think is there anything

1656
01:04:45,049 --> 01:04:43,680
coming up that is gonna tickle your

1657
01:04:48,710 --> 01:04:45,059
fancy or that we should be looking out

1658
01:04:55,190 --> 01:04:49,609
um

1659
01:04:59,870 --> 01:04:57,109
I think a lot of good things in a

1660
01:05:01,309 --> 01:04:59,880
historical way for the record are gonna

1661
01:05:02,809 --> 01:05:01,319
occur this summer

1662
01:05:03,710 --> 01:05:02,819
um that's the closest I can come with

1663
01:05:04,549 --> 01:05:03,720
that one

1664
01:05:06,770 --> 01:05:04,559
um

1665
01:05:10,010 --> 01:05:06,780
a lot of people have been given

1666
01:05:12,829 --> 01:05:10,020
the power and the safety to to use their

1667
01:05:14,450 --> 01:05:12,839
voice for the first time

1668
01:05:17,210 --> 01:05:14,460
um

1669
01:05:20,930 --> 01:05:17,220
now

1670
01:05:24,710 --> 01:05:20,940
I think people should look forward

1671
01:05:26,270 --> 01:05:24,720
to seeing a lot more pictures of UAP

1672
01:05:28,910 --> 01:05:26,280
and the reason that I say that is

1673
01:05:30,230 --> 01:05:28,920
because I have under some I have some

1674
01:05:31,549 --> 01:05:30,240
good information that there are some

1675
01:05:34,849 --> 01:05:31,559
private groups

1676
01:05:41,390 --> 01:05:37,970
correctly determined a way to capture

1677
01:05:44,089 --> 01:05:41,400
UAP on on Photo

1678
01:05:45,890 --> 01:05:44,099
um wow I'm not a hundred percent on

1679
01:05:47,510 --> 01:05:45,900
board with it yet I'm still waiting to

1680
01:05:49,910 --> 01:05:47,520
get some equipment back and to verify it

1681
01:05:51,589 --> 01:05:49,920
myself but

1682
01:05:54,650 --> 01:05:51,599
um I have a feeling we're about between

1683
01:05:57,049 --> 01:05:54,660
the Deep the new deep fake stuff be the

1684
01:05:59,870 --> 01:05:57,059
new deep fake being very

1685
01:06:03,010 --> 01:05:59,880
accessible and affordable the the the

1686
01:06:06,109 --> 01:06:03,020
audio fakes now

1687
01:06:08,390 --> 01:06:06,119
and the fact that we have a perfect

1688
01:06:10,010 --> 01:06:08,400
storm here I don't like it a bit with

1689
01:06:12,410 --> 01:06:10,020
the filters coming off at NORAD we're

1690
01:06:15,109 --> 01:06:12,420
going to see all kinds of crap scattered

1691
01:06:17,390 --> 01:06:15,119
across the radar now with the the

1692
01:06:20,089 --> 01:06:17,400
ability to deep fake being at the 13

1693
01:06:21,170 --> 01:06:20,099
year old wallet level

1694
01:06:22,789 --> 01:06:21,180
um

1695
01:06:24,049 --> 01:06:22,799
we're it's going to be really we're

1696
01:06:26,150 --> 01:06:24,059
going to really need audio visual

1697
01:06:28,630 --> 01:06:26,160
experts to be telling us the the real

1698
01:06:31,670 --> 01:06:28,640
from the not real now right

1699
01:06:33,349 --> 01:06:31,680
and it's kind of gotten to be too much

1700
01:06:34,190 --> 01:06:33,359
all at once

1701
01:06:37,309 --> 01:06:34,200
um yeah

1702
01:06:39,049 --> 01:06:37,319
yeah so I think we need as time goes by

1703
01:06:41,809 --> 01:06:39,059
we need to be careful don't jump to

1704
01:06:43,670 --> 01:06:41,819
conclusions remember that there are

1705
01:06:45,289 --> 01:06:43,680
people out there for whatever reason

1706
01:06:46,609 --> 01:06:45,299
whether they're actively hiding

1707
01:06:48,289 --> 01:06:46,619
something that they know about the

1708
01:06:49,789 --> 01:06:48,299
phenomenon or whether it's just a

1709
01:06:52,370 --> 01:06:49,799
cognitive block or maybe they're just

1710
01:06:54,410 --> 01:06:52,380
jerks you know and work for a lousy

1711
01:06:55,450 --> 01:06:54,420
newspaper I don't know

1712
01:06:58,130 --> 01:06:55,460
um

1713
01:06:59,809 --> 01:06:58,140
but the fact the fact is is that not

1714
01:07:01,730 --> 01:06:59,819
everybody out there is going to see the

1715
01:07:03,049 --> 01:07:01,740
force for the trees they're going to

1716
01:07:04,849 --> 01:07:03,059
cherry pick this thing they're gonna

1717
01:07:08,990 --> 01:07:04,859
come at it emotionally

1718
01:07:11,770 --> 01:07:09,000
and we don't want any of that we want we

1719
01:07:14,150 --> 01:07:11,780
want pragmatic scientific observational

1720
01:07:17,690 --> 01:07:14,160
non-biased information on something that

1721
01:07:17,700 --> 01:07:20,930
thank you

1722
01:07:24,710 --> 01:07:23,210
that's great

1723
01:07:27,010 --> 01:07:24,720
so we could have done this in person

1724
01:07:29,809 --> 01:07:27,020
today so I'm just saying that next time

1725
01:07:32,569 --> 01:07:29,819
so we could have just been hanging out

1726
01:07:33,829 --> 01:07:32,579
at the bar I would love it and then he

1727
01:07:35,510 --> 01:07:33,839
could have been in the studio I mean

1728
01:07:36,910 --> 01:07:35,520
what do you got what do you got going on

1729
01:07:39,529 --> 01:07:36,920
later today

1730
01:07:42,049 --> 01:07:39,539
actually it's it's my daughter's

1731
01:07:46,190 --> 01:07:42,059
birthday so I actually oh happy birthday

1732
01:07:48,710 --> 01:07:46,200
that's exciting yeah big 19. oh that's

1733
01:07:50,690 --> 01:07:48,720
amazing amazing have fun with the family

1734
01:07:53,750 --> 01:07:50,700
then that's gonna be great yes yes

1735
01:07:55,730 --> 01:07:53,760
Korean barbecue tonight so oh

1736
01:07:58,190 --> 01:07:55,740
sounds good that sounds really good well

1737
01:07:59,870 --> 01:07:58,200
listen Sean thank you so much really

1738
01:08:02,029 --> 01:07:59,880
appreciate every time we speak is

1739
01:08:04,910 --> 01:08:02,039
fantastic I appreciate you what you've

1740
01:08:07,190 --> 01:08:04,920
done and just being a friend means the

1741
01:08:08,450 --> 01:08:07,200
world so thank you so much same here

1742
01:08:10,670 --> 01:08:08,460
it's really a pleasure to get to talk

1743
01:08:12,170 --> 01:08:10,680
about these things YouTube Katie

1744
01:08:13,430 --> 01:08:12,180
um we don't we don't get to share these

1745
01:08:15,770 --> 01:08:13,440
things

1746
01:08:17,510 --> 01:08:15,780
in a in a in an environment like this

1747
01:08:18,950 --> 01:08:17,520
where it's fully safe where everybody is

1748
01:08:20,990 --> 01:08:18,960
listening and where we have something to

1749
01:08:22,370 --> 01:08:21,000
give back and we don't feel judged so I

1750
01:08:24,169 --> 01:08:22,380
really appreciate the ability to get to

1751
01:08:26,809 --> 01:08:24,179
share these experiences thanks guys

1752
01:08:28,370 --> 01:08:26,819
fantastic thank you so much and to

1753
01:08:29,570 --> 01:08:28,380
everyone in the live chat thank you so

1754
01:08:31,789 --> 01:08:29,580
much for being here I'm sorry if I

1755
01:08:33,769 --> 01:08:31,799
didn't get around to all your questions

1756
01:08:35,689 --> 01:08:33,779
um if you did donate I saw a couple of

1757
01:08:38,809 --> 01:08:35,699
pop up thank you so much for the support

1758
01:08:40,430 --> 01:08:38,819
I really appreciate it Katie thank you

1759
01:08:42,229 --> 01:08:40,440
for being such a wonderful co-host as

1760
01:08:44,749 --> 01:08:42,239
well it's been great we've had a real

1761
01:08:49,070 --> 01:08:44,759
day of it uh two days for you but time

1762
01:08:51,110 --> 01:08:49,080
zones and all that guys yeah me too but

1763
01:08:52,550 --> 01:08:51,120
guys we have a premiere of our interview

1764
01:08:54,410 --> 01:08:52,560
with Ross cool dark coming up this

1765
01:08:56,510 --> 01:08:54,420
Saturday so check that out but for now